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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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I will be massively disappointed if it's anything other than the main story of the film. The Ant-man trilogy started with Scott's relationship with Cassie and that's been the most consistent through-line for the character since then, too. With her now also aged up to fit the role (after explicitly talking about her desire to be her dad's partner in the last film) there is really no other acceptable way to end the Ant-man trilogy than bringing the Cassie storyline to full fruition.
 
Also, regarding the suit related story questions: I doubt Cassie will need a suit. She never used one in the comics that I know of - granted the suits don't really work the same in the films as in the comics and her comics powers are more or less similar to her dad's even though he does use a suit. But her powers are also a surprise with mild overtones of the whole classic lab accident type origin story, so I would not be at all surprised for her to just have an accident involving Pym Particles that means she doesn't need a suit (and also that she has to be trained because she can't not have powers).
 
Foxhot said:
That's an absolutely perfect title but Marvel wouldn't have the courage to use it. Who cares if Gary Busey would sue?
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Gary Busey...?! :wtf:

Grendelsbayne said:
Also, regarding the suit related story questions: I doubt Cassie will need a suit. She never used one in the comics that I know of - granted the suits don't really work the same in the films as in the comics and her comics powers are more or less similar to her dad's even though he does use a suit. But her powers are also a surprise with mild overtones of the whole classic lab accident type origin story, so I would not be at all surprised for her to just have an accident involving Pym Particles that means she doesn't need a suit (and also that she has to be trained because she can't not have powers).
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Perhaps. I've been trying to think of ways of tying Cassie's story into Janet's journey and long stay in the Quantum Realm. Maybe Cassie is helping her father and the Pyms on a new trip down there but an accident happens, mumbo jumbo occurs to Cassie, and now she can shrink without a suit? That might work and it would be a good way to differentiate her from Hank, Janet, Scott, and Hope.
 
The suit does have a very important function: it shrinks and grows with the wearer while normal clothes would not of their own accord. I think we can all agree that under those conditions, Cassie needs a suit of some sort, even if she becomes an "enhanced" individual with innate powers.

I also get the impression that the suit is at least partly there to allow said person to breath when the air molecules around them are with too big or two small for lungs to function, along with a bunch of other environmental considerations.
 
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Reverend said:
The suit does have a very important function: it shrinks and grows with the wearer while normal clothes would not of their own accord. I think we can all agree that under those conditions, Cassie needs a suit of some sort, even if she becomes an "enhanced" individual with innate powers.

I also get the impression that the suit is at least partly there to allow said person to breath when the air molecules around them are with too big or two small for lungs to function, along with a bunch of other environmental considerations.
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This is reinforced by the fact that you couldn't open the door on the vehicles when shrunk.
 
Reverend said:
The suit does have a very important function: it shrinks and grows with the wearer while normal clothes would not of their own accord. I think we can all agree that under those conditions, Cassie needs a suit of some sort, even if she becomes an "enhanced" individual with innate powers.

I also get the impression that the suit is at least partly there to allow said person to breath when the air molecules around them are with too big or two small for lungs to function, along with a bunch of other environmental considerations.
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Fair points. I still think something along the the lines of what I thought could work as a way to tie Cassie in with the Quantum Realm and the rest of the Pyms.
 
If they decide to just go the suit route they could just have her steal a suit. Scott, Hope, Hank, and Janet then spend a chunk of the movie trying to figure out who stole the suit, and part way through we get the big reveal part way through that it was Cassie. We could then get a scene where she shows up and saves everyone and proves to her father and the others that she deserves to be a super hero.
 
Reverend said:
The suit does have a very important function: it shrinks and grows with the wearer while normal clothes would not of their own accord. I think we can all agree that under those conditions, Cassie needs a suit of some sort, even if she becomes an "enhanced" individual with innate powers.

I also get the impression that the suit is at least partly there to allow said person to breath when the air molecules around them are with too big or two small for lungs to function, along with a bunch of other environmental considerations.
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I mean I'm pretty sure they basically say that in the first movie, but that's what I mean when I say the movie suits don't really work the same as the comics suits, anyway (the traditional comics Ant-man suit doesn't even have a face plate, let alone an oxygen supply). Given the fact that the 'science' of the Ant-man franchise is absolute and utter horseshit anyway, no matter how you look at it, I would have no problem with them just introducing a related but different superpower that allows Cassie to shrink without having to worry about that stuff. Whatever technobabble they come up with to 'explain' it can't possibly be anymore nonsensical than the way they explained Scott's powers in the first place - or even worse, the way they explained Janet's 'death'.
 
I'm still kind of a fan of the notion that Cassie went and figured it out for herself during the blip.
I mean all of Hank's equipment was just sitting there and in the chaos of the snap nobody in authority even noticed that Luis's van had a quantum tunnel in the back. It just sat gathering dust in a storage facility for 5 years. So it stands to reason that it's possible at some point Cassie could have gotten a hold of Pym's mobile lab (hell, it was probably in the van!)

A lot can happen in 5 years and she'd certainly have motivation what with believing her father and the Pyms were all dead and never coming back.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
I mean I'm pretty sure they basically say that in the first movie, but that's what I mean when I say the movie suits don't really work the same as the comics suits, anyway (the traditional comics Ant-man suit doesn't even have a face plate, let alone an oxygen supply). Given the fact that the 'science' of the Ant-man franchise is absolute and utter horseshit anyway, no matter how you look at it, I would have no problem with them just introducing a related but different superpower that allows Cassie to shrink without having to worry about that stuff. Whatever technobabble they come up with to 'explain' it can't possibly be anymore nonsensical than the way they explained Scott's powers in the first place - or even worse, the way they explained Janet's 'death'.
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About that:

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From the Kree-Skrull War, "Journey To The Center of the Android" back in the early 1970"s
 
Foxhot said:
Pym hit her in #212. 117 issues after his Visonary expedition during the KS war. Back in the day the writers called it the Skrull-Kree War. Soon to be followed by the Avengers-Defenders War, then Kang Wars One, Two, Three and Four.
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Avengers #90 begs to differ ;)
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It's fascinating to trace back to the origins of Hank Pym's mental health issues. They date back long before Jim Shooter's controversial story. The first mention of his having a nervous breakdown dates all the way back to Tales to Astonish 44, which was the first appearance of the Wasp, before the Avengers even existed . But in continuity, his issues date all the way back to the death of his first wife and are prolific thereafter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/avengers-ant-man-hank-pym-mental-problems-began/amp/
 
Nerys Myk said:
The “knock them out to save them so I can do something brave/stupid” was a fairly common trope back in the day.
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It's been a long-held trope, even in Star Trek - Spock nerve-pinching McCoy in Wrath of Khan, for example.
 
Turtletrekker said:
It's fascinating to trace back to the origins of Hank Pym's mental health issues. They date back long before Jim Shooter's controversial story. The first mention of his having a nervous breakdown dates all the way back to Tales to Astonish 44, which was the first appearance of the Wasp, before the Avengers even existed . But in continuity, his issues date all the way back to the death of his first wife and are prolific thereafter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/avengers-ant-man-hank-pym-mental-problems-began/amp/
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This is the problem with Hank. He suffered so many periods of mental breakdowns and instability over his life, done by writers who thought of it all as Silver Age silliness and not something serious.

Later writers came along, read his history and went "Whoa, this dude is nuts!" and his instability has become a defining trait.
 
A new Ant-Man comic starting in February stars Scott and Cassie, but now instead of growing big and being called Stature, she's small, in a Wasp suit and called Stinger. Maybe the MCU version could skip over the whole Stature thing, and just go right to Stinger?
 
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