Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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  1. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    I watched Thor: Ragnarok this evening and a thought occurred: If Dr. Strange could readily observe Loki's arrival and succumb him so quickly, why didn't his predecessor in charge of that Sanctum do the same during the events of The Avengers? We all know the real world answer, but perhaps the in-universe explanation is something, something Infinity Stones?
     
  2. Marsden

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    How long was Dr. Strange in charge there?
    We know it's he's not "new" because Zola already had him listed as a threat in Winter Soldier, but it's hard to say how many years he's been there.

    And who was the previous wizard. I got the impression from Dr. Strange's movie that he was extraordinary for a wizard, maybe the last guy wasn't that good.
     
  3. Skywalker

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    Strange had only been the master of the New York Sanctum for about a year prior to Ragnarok. (Thor had been gone from Earth for two years, and Doctor Strange took place in the year after Age of Ultron--before, during, and after Civil War.)

    The previous master was probably off in another dimension or something during the Battle of New York.
     
  4. Turtletrekker

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    For the record, the previous guardian of the New York Sanctum was Daniel Drumm, one half of the Doctor / Brother Voodoo character, so his death was actually one half of his origin story.:cool:

    Maybe if Feige wanted to do a magic based show for Disney+, he could depict Daniel escaping death via his astral form and finding his brother Jericho and teaching him the mystic arts.:)
     
  5. The Nth Doctor

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    That was actually Sitwell, not Zola, who said they were monitoring him. However, there's a reference early on in Doctor Strange (I forget what, something to do with Stark, I think, or an award date) that implies the film takes place in the year it was released, i.e. 2016, which makes Sitwell's reference curious to say the least. Perhaps Zola's superbrain somehow "predicted" the future events of Strange's life that would lead to his accident and his pilgrimage in becoming the Sorcerer Supreme. Or something.

    Oh, really? Did they name check him in the film (and I missed it) or is that part of his story background in the comics? I'm only familiar with the character in his appearances in the Christopher Priest run of Black Panther.
     
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  6. Turtletrekker

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    @The Nth Doctor -- He's named Daniel Drumm in the credits and I'm pretty sure they call him by name on screen, but I would have to re-watch to be sure. He was never a guardian of a sanctum in the comics as far as I know except perhaps during his brief stint as Sorcerer Supreme.
     
  7. Alidar Jarok

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    Did they name the one with the staff Tina Minoru or no?
     
  8. Christopher

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    In the credits, yes, but not in dialogue, and they've retroactively declared it was a different character since the Runaways series has their own version of Tina Minoru.
     
  9. The Nth Doctor

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    Ah, thank you for clarifying. I would be curious to see that character pop up in Phase 4, even if only in a supporting role.
     
  10. Alidar Jarok

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    Yeah, that was sort of my thought. Daniel Drumm can be dead or they can re-do his character if their plans change. Credits are easily ignored.

    I know that Black Panther originally planned to have Killmonger's girlfriend be Tilda Johnson. After rewatching the movie, I sort of get it since she poisoned that museum person, but Luke Cage was using the character (for a much larger role) and they appropriately backed down and changed the character since it was creatively better.
     
  11. Christopher

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    Tell that to the Trek fans who are freaking out over the alien credited as "Yeoman Colt" in the Discovery finale.
     
  12. Turtletrekker

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    For the record, the character is given the full name of "Daniel Drumm" in the movie, not just the credits. Kaecilious calls him "Daniel" and Strange and others call him "Master Drumm".
     
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    Seems like the Winter Solider and Falcon series will focus on Falcon taking the mantle of Captain America and the title doesn't reflect that because of spoilers.

    I'm also betting that the Hawkeye series might be some kind of set-up for Young Avengers now that Cassie has been aged up, plus the introductions of Morgan Stark and Lila Barton.

    I figure the Loki series will be set in the past or it will focus on the alternate timeline Loki who escaped with the Tesseract.

    The rumored Valkyrie series will be about the small Asgardian colony with her as their new queen. I really hope that series actually happens!

    Lastly, I'm curious to see how WandaVision will work considering Vision was not revived despite some expectations that he would be. Maybe Wanda has some kind of mental breakdown and either imagines Vision or creates a facsimile of him?

    Am I forgetting any show and/or rumor? Sooo many are happening now!
     
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  14. Turtletrekker

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    One interesting thing about New Asgard-- it's located in Tonsberg Norway, which is where the Frost Giants attacked Earth in the first Thor, it's where the Tesseract was being kept in Captain America: the First Avenger and it's the location of the Water of Sight from Avengers Age of Ultron*.

    (*this was revealed in supplemental materials. Your mileage may vary on this one)
     
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  15. The Nth Doctor

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    Oh, nice catch. I hadn't connected those dots.
     
  16. Alidar Jarok

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    Just to be clear, Cassie was aged up. Clint's daughter was not. Anyone who died in the snap returned the same age they were when they died. It's the reason Peter and Ned are still in High School five years later.
     
  17. The Nth Doctor

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    Oh, right. Thank you for correcting my brain fart. Still, my supposition for that show stands.
     
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    I think it's a fair bet that Loki didn't get on the Sorcerer Supreme's watch-list until *after* he started using the space stone to start punching holes in the space-time continuum a few miles from the NY sanctum.
    Also, I'm pretty sure Wong specifically stated they don't deal with material threats, but larger trans-dimensional ones. Loki may have been an occasional nuisance on Earth over the last thousand years, but nothing on the scale to warrant closer scrutiny.
     
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    That makes sense, particularly Wong's statement about being more focused with trans-dimensional concerns.
     
  20. EdSanders63

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    Regarding any time paradox with Cap...maybe he returned the Time Stone last and in gratitude the Ancient One used the Stone and her magiks to give him a life with Peggy with no temporal side effects and keeping him in the original timeline?
     
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