Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Kibbin]

I've just thought, could the current Guardians not just retire after being brought back to life as we have another guardians squad waiting in the wing now. Ving and Sly can probably squeeze a Marvel movie into their schedule, Michelle has Trek but I doubt she's a major part in the series a.t.m so could slip away between series to film and I'm not sure Michael has anything that would also stop him from finding time for a Marvel movie as he seems to be focusing on voice roles at the moment which give him a bit more flexibility and if anyone questions giving Miley a leading role in a movie remember the first guardians gave a starring role to a raccoon and got Vin diesel in and then gave him only three words to say. (I know he did more than that via mo-cap and reocrding each line with inflection and stuff just saying).

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'd much rather that not happen. I highly doubt every single actor in the series feels so strongly about the issue that they'd actually hold out, and even if it's a majority of them, I honestly think the series would be better off moving forward with Rocket and Groot (or, hell, even Nebula and Mantis) as the core of a new team with some added members (Valkyrie, for instance) rather than do a movie starring Sylvester Stallone and Miley Cyrus. Really that only thing that would make that movie even remotely attractive would be for it to be a prequel which would be allowed to bring back Michael Rooker/Yondu. But even then, Rooker's more fun with Pratt/Quill around.

Frankly, even with Rooker, I'm not sure such a theoretical movie would have the talent to actually do anything worthwhile, anyway. Yeoh is good, but as far as I can tell wouldn't be close to the leading role. Rosenbaum is fine for network tv and that's about it. Stallone has always been trash except in a precious few roles that were pretty much tailor made for him (his performance in GotG2 makes it abundantly clear this isn't one of those). Cyrus is no better, and I highly doubt she could produce anything on the level of Groot. Frankly, I've seen much better work from Diesel than Cyrus, and I doubt Diesel could have ever pulled off what he has achieved if it weren't for the fact that Groot's built-in limitations force the audience to view the character differently. Only speaking three words is actually an advantage for him, especially in combination with the CGI. Cyrus wouldn't have the same advantage. And while I'm not particularly familiar with Ving Rhames, his imdb page doesn't speak very highly of his career. I don't see Rooker and Yeoh holding the whole thing together by themselves.

 

[Anwar]

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Thoughts?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

TL;DW

 

[Turtletrekker]

That hashtag show reportedly has learned that the planned Marvel releases for 2020 are Black Widow and The Eternals.

I wish I could be more excited for The Eternals. Every time it's brought up I just think of the wasted potential of the Inhumans. Also, despite my lifelong love of Marvel Comics, I have read very few stories with the Eternals in them. And those stories were all stories in which they were guest stars. I've never actually read any books that headlined the Eternals.

Marvel has a great track record so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on the project, and this will be the first Marvel Studios project that I'll be going into without any Fanboy expectations, which could be interesting. Also, they say that the story will thread through the history of the MCU and even connect to some known characters, which could both fill in some blanks and set a course for the future of the MCU

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The Eternals and the Inhumans aren't more than superficially similar. One of the biggest differences is their enemies are mostly external (i.e., the Deviants). They also got the whole Celestial thing, which fits with Marvel's universe so far. I've mostly only read the Eternals when they appear in other books, but I did read the very first issue of Jack Kirby's story and that story had a fun, almost Indiana Jones vibe (although I doubt that would be true for the story as a whole).

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The Inhumans never really interested (hell, I hadn't even heard of them until Agents of SHIELD), whereas the cosmic Kirbyness fascinated me regarding the Eternals, even if I hadn't even read them yet (I've been trying to read the Gaiman run but it's always checked out at my library).

 

[Christopher]

I know little about the Eternals, but I'm kind of put off by what I've read about the premise -- the ideal, genetically perfected race is a bunch of blond white people, and the villains are the genetically imperfect ones who don't look conventionally beautiful? That's a rather disquieting concept that I'm very surprised Kirby would use, given that he co-created the guy who punched out Hitler.

 

[Turtletrekker]

^ I doubt that that was what Kirby was trying to convey. His Eternals characters generally look like most other cosmically inspired characters that Kirby created. I doubt he put much more thought into it than that. And I'm sure the movies will diversify things a bit.

Anyway, it occurs to me that in the comics that the Eternals, the Titans (although in this case it's Saturn's moon Titan rather than a distant planet), and the Uranians are all offshoots of the same race. Meaning, essentially, that Thanos is an Eternal.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah, I know next to nothing about The Eternals, which is only slightly less that I knew about GotG before the movie came out. The relative obscurity doesn't worry me in the slightest if they feel they have some interesting characters and a story worth telling.

Indeed, at this point I'd be up for another Howard the Duck movie, just for the hell of it!
...but *after* Black Widow, because that is so far overdue it's an embarrassment.

 

[Christopher]

^ I doubt that that was what Kirby was trying to convey. His Eternals characters generally look like most other cosmically inspired characters that Kirby created. I doubt he put much more thought into it than that.

Well, yeah, that's what I mean -- he was unconsciously perpetuating a stereotype that I would've thought he'd be more aware of.

Anyway, it occurs to me that in the comics that the Eternals, the Titans (although in this case it's Saturn's moon Titan rather than a distant planet), and the Uranians are all offshoots of the same race. Meaning, essentially, that Thanos is an Eternal.

Yeah, that's part of his backstory -- he's an Eternal with Deviant Syndrome, hence his appearance.

I imagine maybe that's part of why Marvel is doing an Eternals movie -- they're going to build on the connection to Thanos.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Indeed, at this point I'd be up for another Howard the Duck movie, just for the hell of it!
...but *after* Black Widow, because that is so far overdue it's an embarrassment.

Lea Thompson wants another Howard the Duck movie! I'm down for it.

But yeah, Black Widow is waaay overdue.

 

[Anwar]

They said they were hoping to use the Eternals as the first step in bringing mutants into the MCU, so we'll probably learn more about the Celestials and their experiments as well. Because Mutants on Earth are another creation of the Celestials, in fact the advanced tech Apocalypse uses is really Celestial tech he found millennia ago.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They said they were hoping to use the Eternals as the first step in bringing mutants into the MCU, so we'll probably learn more about the Celestials and their experiments as well. Because Mutants on Earth are another creation of the Celestials, in fact the advanced tech Apocalypse uses is really Celestial tech he found millennia ago.

Who is "They"?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, yeah, that's what I mean -- he was unconsciously perpetuating a stereotype that I would've thought he'd be more aware of.

When Kirby created the characters they were supposed to be the basis for the Gods and Demons of myth. (After Marvel folded them into the MU that became more complicated since the Gods are real) The main character Ikaris is the basis for Icarus, While the Deviant Kro is the basis for Satan. The Eternals were shown to include all human races, not just Europeans. The Deviants were more than just "ugly monsters". Kro is a bit of a charmer and is in a relationship the Eternal Thena. Karkas is a monster with the soul of a poet. The Reject is Deviant with the looks of an Adonis and the savagery of a beast.

 

[Mage]

I really am curious about what kind of movie the Black Widow standalone will be.
Personally, I could dig something Winter Soldier style. A sort of political espionage thriller. Nothing to big. Perhaps a movie involving two plotlines. One set in the 'now', which ties to how Widow met Clint and became part of SHIELD in flashbacks?

 

[Anwar]

Who is "They"?

Feige and co, IIRC.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Source?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

^ I doubt that that was what Kirby was trying to convey. His Eternals characters generally look like most other cosmically inspired characters that Kirby created. I doubt he put much more thought into it than that. And I'm sure the movies will diversify things a bit.

Ah, but Kirby loved blonde male heroes; in addition to co-creating blondes Captain America, Adam Warlock and Thor, there's the aforementioned Eternals, Kamandi, et al. Kirby seemed to love that image as if it represented heroism to him.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Feige and co, IIRC.

I have heard the same but think it's mostly fan theories at this point. Feige and co have said nothing official in regards to the X-Men or Mutants. In fact, if I understand the law correctly, it would be against anti-trust laws for anyone at Marvel Studios to have any kind of official plans in the works regarding mutants until after the deal is complete. Not that Eternals, which will probably go into production after the deal is complete, won't lay the groundwork for mutants (and it actually does seem likely), but if it does, Feige wouldn't be talking about it yet.