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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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No -- as mentioned before, "The Blip" refers to the 5-year period between the Snaps during which half the population was gone, because when they returned, it felt like just a momentary blip from their perspective even though five years had passed for the other 50 percent.

In the context of how the term 'The Blip' was coined, it absolutely refers to Bruce's use of the Gauntlet, because the verb form of the term is 'Blipped' and refers to people suddenly reappearing.
 
Just saw the teaser for the first time. I think in this instant I do hate the internet speculation. How many characaters are going to be in this movie. How long is this going to be? Are we ever going to address the various end scenes of the other marvel movies or are we just writing them off to get the original gang back together? If you're going back to the original well, start putting some of the newer Marvel stuff on Disney+ because I still want to see Mrs. Marvel and Kate Bishop together. I still want to see what happens to Monica, or the return of Shang-Chi. I don't really care about Steve Rogers anymore.
 
In the context of how the term 'The Blip' was coined, it absolutely refers to Bruce's use of the Gauntlet, because the verb form of the term is 'Blipped' and refers to people suddenly reappearing.

I think you're misinterpreting the perspective from which the term comes. It is from the perspective of the people who disappeared. They feel like they were blipped.
 
I think you're misinterpreting the perspective from which the term comes. It is from the perspective of the people who disappeared. They feel like they were blipped.

I'm using Far From Home and WandaVision as the primary contextual sources for defining the term The Blip as pertaining to Bruce's use of the Gauntlet, so I'm not misinterpreting the perspective context of the term.
 
The actual dialogue in FFH:

"They called it the Blip. Those of us who blipped away came back the same age. But our classmates that didn't blip had grown five years older."

"When- when I blipped back to my apartment, the family that was living there was very confused. The wife thought that I was a mistress. The grandma thought that I was a ghost. It was- it was really a mess. Thank you for coming out to support those who have been displaced by the Blip. And, of course, thanks to our very own Spider-Man!"

"It's my My Blip beard. Cause I grew it. In the Blip. It's a Blip beard."


If anything, they used the verb 'blip' to refer to both the original snap and the return snap. But it's pretty obvious the intent is to describe both snaps and the entire five year period between them as that's the only way that term 'blip' even makes any sense. Plus Happy obviously didn't instantaneously grow a beard when Hulk snapped, he grew it between the snaps, aka, during the Blip.
 
I watched the trailer again. Made me think of something. That might not be our Steve Rogers but the Nazi one from the comics being made into the movies. First off his motorcycle is red and it says Triumph on it. Remove the I and h and you have Trrump. Red of course is the color of MAGA. He also is wearing a red shirt in the house .

To top it off we don't see Peggy Carter and also the setting is vague enough that it could be in the past or the countryside in the present. The closest thing we have to judge any time frame on is the motorcycle brand and when that particular bike was created but even then they could just be going with creative license and saying a bike made in the 70's is one from the 50's because most people won't notice. Or it's a old bike he rides in the present day.

Then it says that Steve Rogers will return. Not that Captain America will return. I know in the comics Sharon Carter was Hydra so the twist is she might be the babies mom and love interest to Nazi Steve Rogers.
 
No amount of context, narratively, is going to mitigate how damaging and problematic Evans coming back is or how badly it reeks of desperation.

Full stop.

Evans could show up for exactly two seconds as Old Steve, and it would still send the message that they brought him back solely 'to put butts in seats' and because a tiny minority rejected and resented Mackie taking on the mantle of Captain America.

Sam was fine as cap, but if the movie poster is going to promise an epic battle between Red Hulk and Captain America, which never fucking happens then that's why you got some Nerds building seige Towers.

More importantly I wanted Melissa Rauch to say "You don't know Red Hulk! YOU Don't know his life!" again.

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Even more importantly, William Hurt died. YOU HAD THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE NOT TO DILLY DALLY AROUND, get off your ass, and take care of business, but does anyone for a second believe that Billy's last words before he bought the farm was "Damn, I really missed out, by not getting to play Red Hulk for 45 seconds at the end of a three hour movie about how my daughter thinks I am an asshole."

The number one thing that Sam could have done to excite the audience was to get his butter churned by Jane Foster as Thor, because that's some really cool shit that actually happened in the comics.
 
Yeah, just having Steve there in any form is going to completely undermine Sam's role as Captain America in the eyes of the people who have a problem with a black man taking on that role.
Those people never accepted Sam as Captain America with or without Steve Rogers presence.If they had made Bucky Captain America, (he takes a turn in the comics) wonder what the reception would have been?
 
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What they should have done is have Steve hand the shield off to Bucky at the end of Endgame, have him portray Captain America in the mini-series, realize he wasn't worthy of the shield/name and give it to Sam.
 
For cost reasons - no chance. This is about decline in box office.

In part--but that decline--at least in the case of Cap4--had something to do with the pre-release rejection of the film because of the kind of person in the title role.

No amount of context, narratively, is going to mitigate how damaging and problematic Evans coming back is or how badly it reeks of desperation.

Full stop.

This.

Pretending that there isn't an issue here doesn't stop the issue from existing.

Some seem to believe it works that way, all due to the "need" to get those long-gone "vintage" MCU feels again--motivations and cost be damned.

That's not fair. I am not (and I don't think others are) commenting on the story or the movie itself, but rather the motivations for having the actor return in the first place--and using it as the opening sales pitch for the the general audience.

Exactly, but the attempt to say criticism of Evans returning to that role is some attack on the entire plot is simply a diversion, trying to turn all negativity toward anyone other than the source (Marvel Studios /
Disney) responsible for it all.


What is being discussed is that bringing Evans back plays into two scenarios: 1. Hiring the actor back reeks of desperation to recapture the "glory days" of the MCU circa 2016-2018. 2. Regardless of the studio's intentions, just hiring Evans brings about the feeling that a black man is being relegated to second string for the prominence of a white man when Mackie has only had a really great Disney Plus series and a mediocre movie as Cap.

Well put.
 
What they should have done is have Steve hand the shield off to Bucky at the end of Endgame, have him portray Captain America in the mini-series, realize he wasn't worthy of the shield/name and give it to Sam.

I think the mini-series should have been the movie. Condensed of course for time. It did a better job exploring the pressure of him taking on the mantle than his actual movie did. By the time he gets his own movie he has already embraced being the new Captain America but of course that isn't the case for people who only watch the movies and not the tv shows.
 
Which is all that matters for the creators. The IP needs to entertain and make loads of money for the next movie. Cultural statements are a fortunate byproduct.

Not just this IP but I think all movies and tv shows work like that. Especially when your talking about stuff that is made for broader audiences. Art house stuff of course has more freedom to be controversial or niche.
 
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