Ironheart drops on June 24th with the first trailer coming tomorrow.
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The MCU turned people away by making to many movies about characters people are not interesting in more than anything. While butchering sure fire wins like you would think you would get with a movie about Nick Fury. Even if you ignore the issue of them still not using X Men characters you could have had a Armour Wars show starring War Machine and Armie Hammer, A She-Hulk show that is more action based and less Ally McBeal, VIsion show should have already been made, a show about Wakanda daily life, Captain Carter from a mirror universe, Spider-Gwen show, Star lord living on Earth and adjusting to how the world is different from when he last lived their as a kid,, Second season of Sam Wilson as Captain America, which makes more sense than a movie A prequel with Valkyrie when she led soldiers on behalf of Odin long before Thor was even born.
Uh, you DO know people laughed at the idea of Captain America and Thor getting movies 15 years ago right? To say nothing of how they reacted to the idea of a movie about the Guardians of the Galaxy.
They're all "characters the people didn't want", remember?
I love Captain America. But he, Thor and Iron Man were all B level when the MCU started. Black Widow and Hawkeye were Cs. Marvel's A list: Spider-Man, the Hulk and the X-Men had been farmed out. So yeah, there was "skepticism".
Krysten Ritter to Return as Jessica Jones in 'Daredevil: Born Again' Season 2
The actress played the character for four seasons over on Netflix
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YES!!!Krysten Ritter to Return as Jessica Jones in 'Daredevil: Born Again' Season 2
The actress played the character for four seasons over on Netflix
ScreenCrush had an interesting video last week arguing the problem with Thunderbolts is it came out 2 years too late.
Everything in the movie, after all, was set up by 2022:
- 2018 - Ghost was established (Ant-Man 2)
- 2021 - Introduction of Yelena, Alexi, Taskmaster, and Valentina (Black Widow), Development of Bucky's arc and introduction of John Walker/more Valentina (The Falcon and The Winter Soldier). Plus a bit more Yelena in Hawkeye
- 2022 - A bit more Valentina in Wakanda Forever
Yes, obviously, the strikes impacted things here, but still, I tend to agree it would've been the best place to slot it.
I was all set to go on about how excited I am about Ironheart but...
Krysten Ritter is coming back! Fuck yeah!
Here's hoping for Mike Colter and even Finn Jones, too.
My fingers are extra crossed for Jessica Henwick, Simone Mississippi, and even Rosario Dawson, too.
Or am I just being greedy at this point?
Krysten Ritter is coming back! Fuck yeah!
Here's hoping for Mike Colter and even Finn Jones, too.
My fingers are extra crossed for Jessica Henwick, Simone Mississippi, and even Rosario Dawson, too.
Or am I just being greedy at this point?
But now they were settling for even lesser characters. Plus they did pretty well in how they did those movies. Setting Captain America in WW 2,getting James Gunn to do Guardians movie, Perfect casting for Iron Man.They also went with kind of traditional comic book stories. Those early movies like Iron Man and Captain America feel very grounded. You can tell they were made at a time when people where still high on the Nolan Batman movies.
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Hopefully its corresponding Assembled episode comes out the same day. I'm curious to see how much they will talk about its troubled production and how it effected the final product.
Hopefully its corresponding Assembled episode comes out the same day. I'm curious to see how much they will talk about its troubled production and how it effected the final product.
Yay, now I can finally watch it.
I'm looking forward to Ironheart, I'm one of the few people who liked her in Wakanda Forever and has been looking forward to seeing more Riri.
I like what they're saying here, I just hope the final show can actually live up to it.
I'm looking forward to Ironheart, I'm one of the few people who liked her in Wakanda Forever and has been looking forward to seeing more Riri.
Awesome!Krysten Ritter to Return as Jessica Jones in 'Daredevil: Born Again' Season 2
The actress played the character for four seasons over on Netflix
Seeing that Coogler is doing this just upped my interest level.
...the very thing, no--big problem Marvel Studios creatives worried about, as it--like many NCU productions--created a "No New Fans" syndrome. No one should need to refer to a disassembled puzzle of MCU plots in order to fully understand another film. Gone are the days when the standalone Marvel movie was just that (with some exceptions).
The assumption is that Marvel Studios had a license to print money / hook anyone, thus they were digging deeper into the character pool, as if lower-tier characters all had the potential to be an A-list hit. Obviously, that is not the case, considering recent Marvel/Disney box office woes.
Do you believe such as show would hit the ground running with established MCU fans? Casual superhero movie audiences?
The film had its set of issues, but Captain America was established as a movie character in this franchise. The D+ series served the requirement of necessary time to build Sam Wilson as an independent man no longer tethered to Steve Rogers or his image. That needed more time than a single film would provide, but Cap--for Disney's interests--is a movie character. Permanently sending the Sam Wilson character to a streaming series status would strongly suggest he is of lesser value than his White predecessor, who was all about being a part of the big screen arcs and individual films.
Krysten Ritter to Return as Jessica Jones in 'Daredevil: Born Again' Season 2
The actress played the character for four seasons over on Netflix
I'm curious to know how that squares with their intentions of making Daredevil a yearly show. Is it separate from that count because of that intention or does it eat up a large of it?
Thunderbolts is done with, so where is Marvel's blitzkrieg about FF4?
I realized that Marvel has made a major pivot from Phase 4 to 5. To put it simply, Phase 4 was just introducing a bunch of random new things, and Phase 5 has been mostly following up on things already established.
I mean, looking across all Phase 4 projects, only a few had any sense of continuity with one another (only looking at things following up on post-Endgame threads).
So, I do think the "homework" argument has some merit,. Phase 4 was trying to build a whole new stable of heroes/Disney+ shows which were either self-contained or just referencing things from earlier movies everyone has seen. Now, the MCU is seen as something more for hardcore heads.
I mean, looking across all Phase 4 projects, only a few had any sense of continuity with one another (only looking at things following up on post-Endgame threads).
- Yelena popping up in Hawkeye after being introduced in Black Widow.
- Valentina reappearing across Black Widow, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Wakanda Forever.
- Multiverse of Madness being a follow-up to Wandavision.
- Quantumania is sort of following up on Loki
- GOTG 3 works better if you watched the GOTG Holiday Special
- Echo is a pseudo-sequel to Hawkeye
- Loki Season 2 is - a second season!
- The Marvels follows up on elements of both Wandavision and Ms. Marvel
- Deadpool and Wolverine used elements of Loki
- Daredevil: Born Again references elements of Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, and Echo
- Brave New World is a sequel to TF&TWS
- Thunderbolts follows up on threads from Black Widow and TF&TWS
- Ironheart will be a semi-sequel of Wakanda Forever
So, I do think the "homework" argument has some merit,. Phase 4 was trying to build a whole new stable of heroes/Disney+ shows which were either self-contained or just referencing things from earlier movies everyone has seen. Now, the MCU is seen as something more for hardcore heads.
...the very thing, no--big problem Marvel Studios creatives worried about, as it--like many NCU productions--created a "No New Fans" syndrome. No one should need to refer to a disassembled puzzle of MCU plots in order to fully understand another film. Gone are the days when the standalone Marvel movie was just that (with some exceptions).
The assumption is that Marvel Studios had a license to print money / hook anyone, thus they were digging deeper into the character pool, as if lower-tier characters all had the potential to be an A-list hit. Obviously, that is not the case, considering recent Marvel/Disney box office woes.
Do you believe such as show would hit the ground running with established MCU fans? Casual superhero movie audiences?
The film had its set of issues, but Captain America was established as a movie character in this franchise. The D+ series served the requirement of necessary time to build Sam Wilson as an independent man no longer tethered to Steve Rogers or his image. That needed more time than a single film would provide, but Cap--for Disney's interests--is a movie character. Permanently sending the Sam Wilson character to a streaming series status would strongly suggest he is of lesser value than his White predecessor, who was all about being a part of the big screen arcs and individual films.
I feel like the movies was a great place to establish characters and use them for the shows or even the shows and this I think worked for it's best shows like Wandavision, The Falcon and Winter Solider, Loki,Hawkeye.Nick Fury. She Hulk I think also had enough appeal to do a show about as well despite not being in a movie. Plus Tatiana Maslany is good selling point as well, with The Hulk also being in the first episode.
The other shows though were suspect even though Agatha did pay off due to the popularity of WandaVision and Ms Marvel was a creative success but I get way it didn't get the ratings. Have no idea why they though Ironheart or Echo would work. Neither stars a big Star and neither did well in their setup roles in Black Panther 2 and Hawkeye. MoonKnight is also suspect but at least you can sell that do to having two big stars involved in Oscar Isaacs and Ethan Hawke
That is why the shows I mentioned would have worked better, at least in terms of creating interest. Who knows if they would be done well. Vision,Wakanda,Captain Carter,Star Lord, second seasons with The Falcon now as Captain America and a second season of Hawkeye all make sense to me as far shows to make. Maybe toss in one experimental show as well. Other options work as well such Spider_Gwen which people now like because of the Spider verse cartoon movies,Wong, War Machine, Agents of Shield return series