Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)
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I think your "if you want to get pedantic" thing is spot on, though. It does give him that out so he wasn't lying.
That being said, when people were freaking out, this is literally what a lot of people were speculating would happen. In fact, there's this video right here that showed why this would be the result and how the clues were already there:
To be fair, everything they said. They also said it wasn't a gimmick, which I think you could argue it really was. It gets everyone talking about it for a month, then they get to immediately go back on it. They also said that its really Steve Rogers, and no one is acting through him. But, Red Skull is acting through him, by way of Kobik. Steve has had implanted memories (not a reality change, Steve's mother was never in HYDRA, Kobik just altered Steve's memories according to what I read in the link I posted), and has been turned into a HYDRA agent. That's definitely against what they were saying. This isn't "Steve Rogers, himself" like Nick Spencer said. Its Steve Rogers with his memories modified, its not truly him. So, I still say they're liers, and I'll certainly never support any Nick Spencer book or read anything by him ever again.
Did you watch the video I posted? It isn't a gimmick, it's designed to tell a story about what causes someone to turn to radicalism. The twist is to just get you to pay attention.
And Cable! Cable is an Avenger now come back from a dystopia where there nothing left but a few "racist comment" Inhumans. Old man Summers is totally mounting Destiny and laying cable.... Sorry. I mean laying pipe. Pipe. Definitely pipe, not cable.
Cable can't just see the future, he can go there.
Spider-man has or had a magic Door, which Spider-Man 2099 uses every week pissed that his 2099 is missing and that the Maestro rules the world in the 2099 his magic door take him to... Who by the way is loose in 2016 and might have somehtings to be said about Carol trying to kill his younger self!
"sigh"
I liked Captain America 2.
Although...
Wrong Skull.
The Red Skull who got Professor X's brain grafted to his brain was an older "version" of the Skull fresh from WWII who hadn't been fighting in the modern world for the last 20 years since Avenger's Vol .1 #4.
Just months ago from his perspective, it was 1945.
Marvel conflated their Skulls or my memory is dodgy.
Cable can't just see the future, he can go there.
Spider-man has or had a magic Door, which Spider-Man 2099 uses every week pissed that his 2099 is missing and that the Maestro rules the world in the 2099 his magic door take him to... Who by the way is loose in 2016 and might have somehtings to be said about Carol trying to kill his younger self!
"sigh"
I liked Captain America 2.
Although...
Wrong Skull.
The Red Skull who got Professor X's brain grafted to his brain was an older "version" of the Skull fresh from WWII who hadn't been fighting in the modern world for the last 20 years since Avenger's Vol .1 #4.
Just months ago from his perspective, it was 1945.
Marvel conflated their Skulls or my memory is dodgy.
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So, cosmic cubes that become little girls and then fall under the influence of telepathic nazi's turn people into radicals?
I mean, obviously they do, but that's not very relevant to anyone. The story is stupid. The twist was to get the story media attention and try to get some fans to rage buy the book. It doesn't have a message, outside of maybe "Nick Spencer is a hack", but that probably wasn't intentional. The biggest thing it accomplished for me is to get me to never even look at a Nick Spencer book ever again.
The failing is that only his memories were altered and not reality.
It's a cosmic cube! The point of a cube is that you can rewrite reality!
Johann could have had a hand in manipulating Steve's mum.
Hell, Young Red Skull could have invited the Rogers to an Eyes Wide Shut Party.
There's no point in joining a terrorist organization if the sex is shit.
It's a cosmic cube! The point of a cube is that you can rewrite reality!
Johann could have had a hand in manipulating Steve's mum.
Hell, Young Red Skull could have invited the Rogers to an Eyes Wide Shut Party.
There's no point in joining a terrorist organization if the sex is shit.
So the memories are fake? I would think a the Cosmic Cube powers Kobik poses would allow her to alter reality itself so Steve really is Hydra, rather than just giving him fake memories. I guess they must have done that because fake memories would be a lot easier to deal with at the end of the story, and to avoid having to deal with decades of altered reality.
Wow, so a writer makes one creative decision you don't like and you'll never read anything by them again? If I stopped reading stuff everything by every writer who made a creative decision I didn't like, I'd have nothing left to read. It takes a lot more than one creative choice I don't agree with to get a me to drop a writer.
There is so much to read that I can't read everything that seems interesting anyway. So, a writer who wrote a horrible story and then insulted the intelligence of every one of his readers? Its an easy decision to make when it comes to drop him. Sure, I usually drop writers for doing a lot worse, like Frank Miller (the sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic hack) or Scott Lobdell (a sexist twit who also happens to just be a terrible writer), but on the short list of writers whose work I'll never read again, Nick Spencer fits. The stupid shock garbage of the reveal was just about enough anyway, considering the fact that I was pretty neutral to unimpressed with him in general. This isn't a case of one decision making me hate a writer I enjoyed. its a writer I didn't think much of, good or bad, doing the stupidest thing Marvel has done since I've been a regular reader, then being an asshole about it. He's an easy writer to drop, I won't miss him.
To me, there is just too much good stuff, by writers who aren't idiots, don't pull off cheap shock twists, and don't treat their readers like idiots to bother with Spencer. He's only written one comic I really liked anyway, his Sam Wilson as Cap run. But, I didn't like it enough that it hurt to drop it.
But only 2 year olds believed this wouldn't be resolved within the same arc, since they're, you know, 2 years old and are obviously new to the medium.
Everyone else who should have known better? They deserve to be treated as a 2 year old. Better yet, why are they reading what the creators have to say before all the cards are on the table anyways? That's pretty dumb, too. Kinda like a 2 year old. I bet they believed Quesada years ago when he said "Dead is dead", too. Silly people.
its dumb to read what a creator has to say in an interview? ooooook.
Before the story is over? Absolutely! That's like stopping a movie 15 minutes into it to watch the behind the scenes features.
What can be said that won't be answered by the end of the story and won't give away where it's going anyways?
It's 100% dumb.
Maybe Xavier's brain was tired. It's been through a lot.
Skull said that he can tell when he alters memories with his own telepathy.
It's not real.
Like how CGI from the 90s isn't all that believable anymore.
It's not real.
Like how CGI from the 90s isn't all that believable anymore.
I was also confused about which Red Skull this was. This issue seemed to treat him as the Original Actual Red Skull and not the clone who stole Xavier's brain in Uncanny Avengers. And yet, it's the Red Skull with Xavier's brain. And yet, Sin is calling him father. *brain hurt*
Have we seen the Original Actual Red Skull since he got trapped in Zola's robot at the end of Captain America Reborn?
Have we seen the Original Actual Red Skull since he got trapped in Zola's robot at the end of Captain America Reborn?
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