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Madame Web, go-go Marvel Fatigue!

How good was it?

  • A. Madame Web is just as Good as a REAL Marvel Movie.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • B. There were moments that were approaching great, like random M&Ms mixed into a box of raisins.

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • C. The crew must have been held at gunpoint to continue and finish their work?

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • D. Adam Scott stole the movie! Where the hell is Severance Season 2?

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • E. This travesty will finally capsize the home Blu Ray/DVD market!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F. A lady gave birth in the seat next to me, the baby realized where it was, and crawled back in.

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • Total voters
    18
That's completely bullshit, and nothing more than a dumbass excuse to try to cover up the fact that they're just sexist assholes. They just want to make themselves out to be the heroes fighting for the poor men even anybody who actually watches the movies or shows can tell that everything they're saying is complete bullshit.

I'm not saying that isn't true. They clearly feel threatened by the idea of culture moving past them. Like any con artist though they understand that you have use to truth to tell lies. It's how you make yourself credible to people who do not see themselves as sexist or any of those negative things.

They are also smart enough usually to know a character like Captain Marvel is a easier target than Wonder Woman.. One movie is great. The other is Meh. One character was interesting. The other was once again, meh. They basically segment their arguments into 3 categories

1 Woke and thus bad. Anything that is progressive is not of good quality.

2 Diverse and good but not popular hence selling the idea that the key to profit is male or traditional led stories is the way to go. The "Go Woke Go Broke" argument.

3 Example of diversity done right. Usually has a strong female character that is good in addition to also having a strong male character in the movie as well.

They put a strong emphasis on male representation and whether or not the male character is going to be manly enough to be acceptable, Focus on a movies success in terms of profits. They see these things as a means of measuring how much society is embracing or not embracing wokeness. Quality of the female lead.

It's actually more fascinating when their "strategy" as you could call it backfires like in a movie like 'Barbie." They were sure that movie would be hated and not make money. When that didn't happening they basically had to alter their views to now embrace it as being a success all because of Ken and Barbie being a girl brand product thus making it's success built on giving a female audience something they wanted to see.
 
I don't think the Marines came off as incompetent. They came off as being outmatched. Plus you got the Hicks character. Plus everyone loves Bill Paxton in the movie. The movie also has one of the female type of characters tend to love and that is the badass one of the guys characters such as Vasquez. Also didn't matter if Ripley held a rifle. The character was already beloved. Plus she has the badass ending with the forklift and he "Get away from her you bitch" fight. Basically it has everything in it that your typical 80's male would love in a movie.

The marines are jerks in their off hours but once the shit goes down they tended to be very professional in combat, they were just up against an enemy the likes of which they'd never had to face before, plus, and let's be honest here, Cameron has to divest them of a lot of their advantages to make it an uneven contest. He takes away most of their ammo, one of their experienced leaders, their APC and the dropship. Plus he gives them an inexperienced commanding officer and a viper in their nest acting against them.

I never had a problem with Ripley and the rifle, Hicks gives her a demo and I imagine the M41A might even have been designed for even a relative novice to use (like a AK). Taping it to a flame thrower is ridiculous but it's the sort of thing a novice would do, not a seasoned solider, but then that's what Ripley is.

Can't see how anyone can have an issue with the power loader scene. We're told, and then explicitly shown, that Ripley is incredibly experienced in using a power loader.
 
The marines are jerks in their off hours but once the shit goes down they tended to be very professional in combat, they were just up against an enemy the likes of which they'd never had to face before, plus, and let's be honest here, Cameron has to divest them of a lot of their advantages to make it an uneven contest. He takes away most of their ammo, one of their experienced leaders, their APC and the dropship. Plus he gives them an inexperienced commanding officer and a viper in their nest acting against them.

I never had a problem with Ripley and the rifle, Hicks gives her a demo and I imagine the M41A might even have been designed for even a relative novice to use (like a AK). Taping it to a flame thrower is ridiculous but it's the sort of thing a novice would do, not a seasoned solider, but then that's what Ripley is.

Can't see how anyone can have an issue with the power loader scene. We're told, and then explicitly shown, that Ripley is incredibly experienced in using a power loader.

There were told not to use live ammunition.

They bucked their orders, and it almost killed them.

I suspect that most of these "soldiers" were given the hard choice of prison or enlistment.
 
Barbie is one odd duck of a movie. Lots of things about it should make it a bad movie. It's a little to preachy. Barbie is the main character but they give the most important speech to the mom who doesn't even show up until like halfway in the movie. It's a movie that wears it's feminism on it's shoulder but the best character is the male character in Ken because he gets all the laughs and is basically a mens right hero.

Yet he isn't the baddie you would expect him to be in this kind of movie. Lots of confusion as to how this entire universe even works and how Barbieland connects with the Barbies and Kens and if they are being played by real girls in the real world and impacted about that then how do they all have individual thought and behavior.

The movie though is lots of fun. Ken liked mention steals the movie. He is funny in just every scene he is in. The musical number is awesome and I still listen to it and rewatch it all the time on Youtube. Robbie makes for the perfect Barbie. The movie has all sorts of heart and you can tell it has something important to say and even though it is preachy it's not condescending which is often a issue when that happens. The characters always stay likeable at all times.

It's got a great design in how they built Barbieland and great fashion. Lots of imagination went into this movie and in a weird way the fact that we don't know how this universe works means the movie creates a sense of mystery and intrigue were it's fun thinking about it, trying to figure out some logic to it. Basically pure nerds stuff. We do it all the time when looking at Trek canon and figuring out how it all fits and how the Federations works and all that stuff.
 
The marines are jerks in their off hours but once the shit goes down they tended to be very professional in combat,
I can understand them fooling around in their free time (I mean, it's a very stressful job). I didn't like that they didn't take the mission briefing seriously, in fact, they practically laughed at poor Ripley. It didn't seem professional at all.
 
I think they underestimated the dangers. They must have thought they it be like hunting some wild animals but not ones as cunning and lethal as they encountered. That and having extreme confidence in their skills as soldiers.
 
I think they underestimated the dangers. They must have thought they it be like hunting some wild animals but not ones as cunning and lethal as they encountered. That and having extreme confidence in their skills as soldiers.
Communications with the colony were totally lost. For weeks (I don't remember the timeline exactly). Sure, it could have been an equipment failure, but the signs that something had gone very wrong were there.
 
I know but it was a bunch of civilians so what might be seen as threat to them might not to when facing up against a platoon of marines. Ripley is the only one who really understood the danger since she faced one of them before.
 
I think they underestimated the dangers. They must have thought they it be like hunting some wild animals but not ones as cunning and lethal as they encountered. That and having extreme confidence in their skills as soldiers.
40 marines can't hold a planet with 30 thousand farmers who are reticent about paying their taxes, but an orbiting ship with 40 nukes can, if you are willing to kill half of them.

The marines are there for scary shore leave.

They kill and rape a dozen people during a 4 day drunken rampage, and then the 30,000 farmers conspire to pay their taxes so that these assholes never set foot on their nice planet ever again.
 
I miss the days of EVENT films. When we had a few big budget original films in the summer and then a couple in the fall. The rest being drama, comedies, thrillers, westerns etc. As much as I used to like superhero movies and wanted them to make quality ones all my life...it has become a wish that now has turned into something I no longer care for. They over saturated the entire film industry with not only super hero films but tv series as well. Now you have both Marvel and DC trying to tie in every single dang filmed series and movie together via alternate realities. The 66 Batman show has been referenced two times I think in the DCU)
Yeah I get that the comics have played this alternate universe game for a long time, but I don't think the general (non comic reading) audience is going to be able to stomach it for much longer. It begins to get confusing (especially if you need to watch the TV shows and other films) and it sucks out all the drama and quality of the better installments of both DC and Marvel had built. Let's just continue to completely reboot these characters call it an alternate universe rinse and repeat every few years or even within movies....lol...yeah that's a good idea...:sigh:....

And don't even get me started on the continued silliness and corniness that seem to be ever increasing in them. Once She Hulk walked out of the Disney screen....I was like....Ok the MCU has officially jumped that shark.

Yes yes I know she hulk walked off the page in the comics. But I was hoping the movies would stay in a more serious tone which Iron Man/Hulk set. But sadly that is not the case. Now we have a stupid K.E.V.I.N robot "god", A dumpling god and soon TWO characters that talk to the audience KNOWINGLY and not just as a form of narration like House of Cards. But KNOWINGLY and in She Hulk's case she actually changed the course of events....smh..
So silly. Daredevil just drops out of the sky confused why he's even there...

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I get that some people like this sort of thing and that's cool. But I don't know how long non comic readers are going to stand for it.

Oversaturation/constant crossovers and bad writing is what ruined the comics industry back in the 1990's and sadly the film and series are taking the exact same trajectory....

Sorry for the long rant....lol
 
I get what you're saying, in many ways with both film and TV we've gone from a situation where there wasn't enough of the cool stuff I liked, to their being more cool stuff that I like than I could ever conceivably watch, There's rarely a middle ground.

I do understand why Disney/Marvel/DC etc have leaned so heavily into this. "Hey these films make a shit ton of money, what if, and it's a crazy idea I know, we made loads more of them?" That anyone with even the vaguest understanding of Hollywood knew this would become a house of cards that would eventually topple is the ultimate irony of course.

This is why, as much as I rant and rave about Danjaq/Eon/Barbara Broccoli/Michael G. Wilson taking forever to make a Bond film these days, I do also respect their commitment to not just going all in to make a quick buck. In another universe I'm off to see the Moneypenny movie tonight, Q's gadget show is on Amazon Prime later and on Netflix the M prequel series starts next month and we're up to series 3 of the James Bond What if...? streaming show (featuring KGB agent Yakov Bondski)
 
I get what you're saying, in many ways with both film and TV we've gone from a situation where there wasn't enough of the cool stuff I liked, to their being more cool stuff that I like than I could ever conceivably watch, There's rarely a middle ground.

I do understand why Disney/Marvel/DC etc have leaned so heavily into this. "Hey these films make a shit ton of money, what if, and it's a crazy idea I know, we made loads more of them?" That anyone with even the vaguest understanding of Hollywood knew this would become a house of cards that would eventually topple is the ultimate irony of course.

This is why, as much as I rant and rave about Danjaq/Eon/Barbara Broccoli/Michael G. Wilson taking forever to make a Bond film these days, I do also respect their commitment to not just going all in to make a quick buck. In another universe I'm off to see the Moneypenny movie tonight, Q's gadget show is on Amazon Prime later and on Netflix the M prequel series starts next month and we're up to series 3 of the James Bond What if...? streaming show (featuring KGB agent Yakov Bondski)

Haha. True. I get why they do it as well. It's a business and I understand that. What I'm sad about is that predominate Superhero/fantasy films and streaming have probably irrevocably ruined the theater going experience forever more. Never thought I would see th day movie theaters would be on their last legs.
 
Haha. True. I get why they do it as well. It's a business and I understand that. What I'm sad about is that predominate Superhero/fantasy films and streaming have probably irrevocably ruined the theater going experience forever more. Never thought I would see th day movie theaters would be on their last legs.
To blame the current state a cinema on superhero movies is beyond absurd. They're just about the only thing that can drag my ass to a theater anymore. Look instead, to the high prices and the often awkward and uncomfortable viewing experience. Going to the theater has become an expense rather than a diversion. Especially when it is now generally a very short wait for a home viewing experience on a perfectly adequately sized screen that is much more comfortable and less expensive.
 
Comic book fatigue I think has finally arrived. You will still have them but not at the rate we use to I think. The question is what will be the next big thing. I feel like standard action movies have made a comeback were it's about some military guy fighting some bad guys with a team of some sort. A kind of more nuanced return to the 80's action man where the man doesn't always have to be a man or white.

I think or maybe hoping Barbie will usher in a return of the high concept 90's movie. It along with things like Cocaine Bear and Free Guy I think gives me hope.
 
To blame the current state a cinema on superhero movies is beyond absurd. They're just about the only thing that can drag my ass to a theater anymore. Look instead, to the high prices and the often awkward and uncomfortable viewing experience. Going to the theater has become an expense rather than a diversion. Especially when it is now generally a very short wait for a home viewing experience on a perfectly adequately sized screen that is much more comfortable and less expensive.

I said ruined theater going experience and I did mention streaming in the same sentence. I know a lot of people who have ceased going to superhero films and stopped streaming them altogether. It's over saturated if people choose to believe it or not. The last one I saw in the theater was Thor and before that the last Avengers. Thor was awful and I don't know why I bothered in the first place. After Thor the last superhero anything I have watched is GOTG3 and that one I watched on Dis+. That one was a good film. But still not on par with the early days of MCU....

Now I have no desire to see any more superhero stuff. I'm superhero'ed out...lol
 
The people in charge of making the superhero movies need to remember to deliver a solid experience in each movie. Iron Man, Doctor Strange, and Spider-Man 2 are all examples of movies that tell a satisfying story with their runtime and set up a few new plot threads. From everything I've seen and heard about Madame Web, there's no compelling reason to go see it.

Studios are dealing now with people and families who have access to huge libraries of content on comfortably large screens, whether from physical media, streaming, or both. They are competing not just with the other offerings of the year but with all of movie and TV history. They need to bring the goods or be ignored.
 
I said ruined theater going experience and I did mention streaming in the same sentence. I know a lot of people who have ceased going to superhero films and stopped streaming them altogether. It's over saturated if people choose to believe it or not. The last one I saw in the theater was Thor and before that the last Avengers. Thor was awful and I don't know why I bothered in the first place. After Thor the last superhero anything I have watched is GOTG3 and that one I watched on Dis+. That one was a good film. But still not on par with the early days of MCU....

Now I have no desire to see any more superhero stuff. I'm superhero'ed out...lol
you mean Thor 4, right?
 
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