Madame Web, go-go Marvel Fatigue!

[Jayson1]

Coogler I think might also be someone they let have more freedom. Rami you would think they would but it seems they didn't let him have as much as he should. Reed I think is a okay director but I wouldn't say he is a top level one. He is more like the Peter Hyams of this era. He can make good movies but I don't think he can make a great one. In a way that is also sort of what the Russo brothers have become. Though the Russo's somehow made it work better than some of these other ones they have brought in.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Guardians got a movie because it was made by a already established great director in James Gunn.

Well, maybe a director where it had been established that he was capable of making movies. As a director, he had made all of two movies before GotG, Slither and Super, both of which were box office bombs, though they eventually became profitable on the home video market (both physical and VOD/streaming). That's not really the kind of résumé of a filmmaker you give a 170 million $ budget to make a movie adaptation of a very obscure comic book. In hindsight it paid off, but both the concept AND Gunn as director were a huge gamble.

And, yes, Gunn had written successful movies that he didn't also direct, but it's worth remembering that scriptwriting was the one job they got a second person to work on for the first GotG.

 

[Jayson1]

Gunn also made a good movie called "The Specials" about a sort of B-squard group of Superheros and what they do when they aren't fighting crime. While Super and Slither might not have made money he already had a reputation, in no small part because of those movies that he was going to be a great writer and director.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Specials, which he wrote for a different director. We covered this. Gunn had had success as a writer, but not as director. This is also about the claim that an adaptation of an obscure Marvel comic with an 80 million dollar budget directed by SJ Clarkson was a bigger gamble than a 2014 adaptation of an obscure Marvel comic with a 170 million dollar budget (before adjusting for inflation) directed by Gunn. And that only plays up how established Gunn was at the time, it also severely downplays Clarkson's status. She's had a decades-long career as a TV director, directing episodes of shows like Life on Mars, Heroes, Dexter, Bates Motel, House, Orange is the New Black, directed a BBC Film Toast starring Helena Bonham Carter which even got a theatrical run after it first aired, and that's before getting into her involvement with Netflix's Jessica Jones and The Defenders.

 

[Skipper]

MADAME WEB Concept Art Reveals Scrapped Plans For Tom Holland's Spider-Man Cameo

At this point I think it's clearer what happened. The film began life as a Sony film set in the MCU. This version of the script is the one that Dakota Johnson read and signed up for. And this also explains the first cast announcements that presented this work as an MCU film. Then for some reason the connection with the MCU was lost but in an advanced stage of pre-production so they found themselves having to rewrite the script in a short time, removing all references to the MCU and Spider-Man.

 

[Tosk]

Or maybe Spidey was originally planned to be glimpsed in the flash-forwards.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or maybe Spidey was originally planned to be glimpsed in the flash-forwards.

Or it's an episode of Love Connection, and we see Spider-Man go on a date with each of the Spider-Womans, as soon as they are all past the age of consent.

 

[Jayson1]

Or it's an episode of Love Connection, and we see Spider-Man go on a date with each of the Spider-Womans, as soon as they are all past the age of consent.

At the same time? New Spidey sure isn't like old Spidey.

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[Guy Gardener]

At the same time? New Spidey sure isn't like old Spidey.

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Is Venom asexual or was he already pregnant when Peter found him on Battle World during the first Secret War.

Is Venom a girl?

 

[Jayson1]

I think Venon is asexually gender fluid. In it;s natural state it has no gender or sex but when it combines with someone it adapts to whatever that person is. So right now it is a straight male because that is what Eddie Brock. But if it switched to Aunt May then it would be I guess be a straight female gender. If it then switched to American Chavez it would then be a gay female women. If it joined with Lockjaw it would be a inhuman male dog of unknown gender since I don't even know if dogs have gender.

 

[Skipper]

Well, Venom 2 and Morbious were connected to the MCU. I wonder why that didn't happen with Madame Web.

 

[Jayson1]

I'm afraid the Madame Web universe was one of those universes lost before Loki saved the day in the end.

 

[Anwar]

Is Venom asexual or was he already pregnant when Peter found him on Battle World during the first Secret War.

Is Venom a girl?

The Venom symbiote is an alien entity, it shouldn't be constrained to our limited ideas of genders and sexuality.