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How is Lois still employed? 
I told you all that the teacher was bunny boiler to be.
Already she's possessive. Calling his house and hanging up. Telling him she doesn't care about his marriage or job as long as she knows he's hers?????. 
She's in denial about being a piece of ass. Introducing him to her brother like he's her boyfriend? The woman is incredibly naive.
Now he's left his keys and Betty's found the drawer.
Is she not going to confront him? Is she that scared of being alone? She could take him to the cleaners if she took that box to a lawyer. She could blackmail him--though Don might shoot her and leave her in a trunk to keep from going to Leavenworth for desertion. Maybe she's keeping it as a trump card so she can have an affair with Henry? The Drapers are ready to crash and burn spectacularly.
EDIT--I just talked about the ep with my mom. My mom's 70. She told me that I was judging Betty through the lens of a woman grown up in post women's liberation America. Betty was born in 1932. She wasn't raised to be independent. She has no work history except some modeling, which she can't fall back into at past 30 years of age. Betty's got a newborn infant and 2 more kids. If she ruins Don, much as the asshole deserves it, how is she going to make the house payments if he's in Leavenworth? Go to secretarial school and take home $35 a week like Peggy did? Even if she didn't out him publicly, men in Don's position were expected to have nice wives who were good hostesses. That's the way it was. A wife was part of the package. Men didn't dispose of their wives for newer models like they do all the time these days. Her divorcing him could reduce Don's earning capacity.
I told you all that the teacher was bunny boiler to be.
Already she's possessive. Calling his house and hanging up. Telling him she doesn't care about his marriage or job as long as she knows he's hers?????. She's in denial about being a piece of ass. Introducing him to her brother like he's her boyfriend? The woman is incredibly naive. Now he's left his keys and Betty's found the drawer.
Is she not going to confront him? Is she that scared of being alone? She could take him to the cleaners if she took that box to a lawyer. She could blackmail him--though Don might shoot her and leave her in a trunk to keep from going to Leavenworth for desertion. Maybe she's keeping it as a trump card so she can have an affair with Henry? The Drapers are ready to crash and burn spectacularly.EDIT--I just talked about the ep with my mom. My mom's 70. She told me that I was judging Betty through the lens of a woman grown up in post women's liberation America. Betty was born in 1932. She wasn't raised to be independent. She has no work history except some modeling, which she can't fall back into at past 30 years of age. Betty's got a newborn infant and 2 more kids. If she ruins Don, much as the asshole deserves it, how is she going to make the house payments if he's in Leavenworth? Go to secretarial school and take home $35 a week like Peggy did? Even if she didn't out him publicly, men in Don's position were expected to have nice wives who were good hostesses. That's the way it was. A wife was part of the package. Men didn't dispose of their wives for newer models like they do all the time these days. Her divorcing him could reduce Don's earning capacity.
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The bearded guy who styles himself as a liberal intellectual or whatever is going to be trouble soon, now that he sees Peggy overtaking him. He might be openminded, but not so openminded to let a woman take what rightfully belongs to him. Of course Peggy must have stolen his ingenious idea, she can't possibly have come up with that herself, and the bottle of whiskey had nothing to do with forgetting whatever it was he thought was so great either. 
Same here! Thanks for that article. I love reading interviews with him--he's very irreverent and funny.
I think it's important to get that perspective. Every time I talk to my grandmother, who is in her 80s, about the show, she'll tell me "that's how it was for women back then" or "that's the way it was done back then." We're looking at it a few generations removed, and that does make a huge difference. It's part of the reason I enjoy this show so much--it's as alien as some of the stuff we saw on Star Trek. It's hard to believe this was just 50 years ago!
Yeah.Ok you're right about the School Teacher, are you happy now?
Told you she was a flower wearing loonie tuney. Top41, I was beginning to think I was the only Kartheiser fan around here. I've been consistently blown away by his work on this show. How he makes Pete seem human in spite of everything he does is a credit to him. I'm still dying remembering Pete hacking up a lung while they were filming the Lucky Strike commercial. That bit about him being on the Jeremy Piven diet of being an asshole made me laugh so hard my stomach hurt.
My Mom was born before that, but she was never such a helpless, self-involved, infantile, utterly contemptible nincompoop.
(And if Daddy had ever acted like Don Draper did - whoah! He'd have been kicked to the curb pretty fast. She could start a ferocious battle over far more trivial shit, like whether I should be allowed to ride my bike before or after dinner.)Women of that era were often very intelligent and resourceful. Where do people get the strange notion that they were all spineless idiots? Most of them had lives much tougher than anything we've faced and survived shit that would kill a goat. Betty is just a pathetic weakling, and boring to boot.
Okay, show, where is Sal!?! He's the one and only character I give a flip about anymore, and that's just because I want to see him wreak bloody vengeance.
Why not? That's what an aunt of mine (older than my Mom) did. She divorced her husband (never learned why), took her two young sons and supported herself, rising through the ranks of the business world by starting as a typist. It wasn't easy, but it was possibile, for a resouceful, motivated and courageous woman of that era. In fact, this happened in the 1940s, not the 1960s. You're wildly underestimating just how strong and courageous some women can be. The older generation of women in my family would have spit on a ninny like Betty.
There were a lot of ninnies like Betty. Especially if you've been raised in a high class upper society culture like Betty was. She's been infantilized her whole life. It's part of her problem. Yes, she'll have to learn how to take care of herself, but she still needs to stick it to Don.
I am shocked I never discovered her art before now. She designed the "Mad Men Yourself" avatar creator. But I had no idea that the same artist had done so much previous work.
I wanted Peggy to walk in on Paul while he was pleasuring himself. Imagine his shame after that.The bearded guy who styles himself as a liberal intellectual or whatever is going to be trouble soon, now that he sees Peggy overtaking him. He might be openminded, but not so openminded to let a woman take what rightfully belongs to him. Of course Peggy must have stolen his ingenious idea, she can't possibly have come up with that herself, and the bottle of whiskey had nothing to do with forgetting whatever it was he thought was so great either.
Sterling Cooper heartlessly fired Sal for no good reason, and yet they keep Lois (the foot-severing secretary) on the payroll. Is she sleeping with someone there?
Eh. It was a heartless choice. A disgusting choice.
...but no good reason? It's a multi-million dollar account, and getting rid of Sal was the only way of possibly getting that account back.
so i'll concede that now the teacher is getting crazy. mainly because of her not caring about the wife or kids.... granted, Don doesnt really care either (if he did, he wouldnt be in this situation every season).
Betty finding the box was interesting... but i dont recall what else happened... i know that i am always surprised that by the first commercial break, it feels like it's been on for an hour.
Betty finding the box was interesting... but i dont recall what else happened... i know that i am always surprised that by the first commercial break, it feels like it's been on for an hour.
Don, Don, Don. The balance of power in your marriage has shifted. I was so touched by your tearful admissions to Betty that you couldn't lose what you had. Or I would have been if your mistress hadn't been sitting outside your house in your car. One thing's for sure. He won't be able to keep it in his pants for long and then Betty will have the proof of infidelity that she needs. He's Archibald Whitman's son. He can't help it. Don will screw up again with the teacher or with another piece of ass.
One thing's for sure. He won't be able to keep it in his pants for long and then Betty will have the proof of infidelity that she needs. He's Archibald Whitman's son. He can't help it. Don will screw up again with the teacher or with another piece of ass.
I don't know why you're always so hard on Don, Dorian Thompson. Yes of course he's terrible, but he's not even close to being the biggest asshole on the show - I mean what about Joan's husband?...
Give me a break, he's the son of a whore and had a father that abused him because he didn't want him. How you expecting this man to be moral upstanding being raised with that type of background.Don, Don, Don. The balance of power in your marriage has shifted. I was so touched by your tearful admissions to Betty that you couldn't lose what you had. Or I would have been if your mistress hadn't been sitting outside your house in your car.
What you're completely missing is that Betty represents the mother figure he always wanted. Due to that, she can't be the women he truly desires sexually.Pete was raised rich & privilaged and he's by far a worse person than Don has ever been. Besides, name one single person on the show that hasn't done something morally questionable. Hell, even Don's daughter stole money.
You're also wrong about Don being violent when his back is up against the wall. When confronted by Betty, he didn't attack her. He instead told the whole truth.
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