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Lwaxana & Alexander Mudbath?

Well, it helps that Majel seemed to be the same way, and I just adored her. :adore:
I met her only once, when she was staffing the dealer's table at a convention and wasn't an announced guest. She was a real sweetheart, and I was so surprised to see her I bought a cheap ($25!) TOS hand phaser from her as a memento for the occasion. Unfortunately I lost it about 10 years later. :(
 
Well, it helps that Majel seemed to be the same way, and I just adored her. :adore:
I met her only once, when she was staffing the dealer's table at a convention and wasn't an announced guest. She was a real sweetheart, and I was so surprised to see her I bought a cheap ($25!) TOS hand phaser from her as a memento for the occasion. Unfortunately I lost it about 10 years later. :(

Oh, man! I would have loved to have met her, but I didn't get to go to my first (and only so far) convention until a few years after her passing.
 
Well, probably not... Right and wrong are generally made up for the purpose of propping up a position of power. They don't have to make sense for people not already subjugated by the power.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I haven't seen the episode recently. But I've seen it a few times. And I don't remember seeing any breasts or 'sex organs'. How do we know they weren't really nude but were wearing something? Which in reality they were. The only really shocking thing to me was Troi's enormous hair. It looked like some big furry animal.
 
Alexander had a lot of reasons to need adult guidance - especially considering how "Human" his character was supposed to be - he was still forced to view his mother's freshly murdered body, up close. Blood still gurgling and the whole bit. I just wish that Alexander's needs could've been dealt with in a sincere manner, story wise, which it never was. Even Worf's Tough Love Parenting Approach ends up being the punchline to the joke of his ending up in a Mud Bath, as proof of a Father's Love.

Maybe STAR TREK is too self-aware that kids are out in the audience, so that these "topical" stories always end up stuck in the shallows. This episode could've been so more interesting - and impactful, certainly - had it not been a "L'waxana" show. Although, I will admit, that I rarely cared much for Deanna's mother. But when an episode became concerned that maybe she'd ventured too far into the whackadoo end, she would be given some glimmer of "normalcy" which I rather prefered.

For example, in HAVEN, when she finally talks to Waylen like a rational adult and assures him that his instincts are correct. But moments like these also threw her whacked-outness into sharp relief. If she didn't act so needy and desperate all the time, she'd actually be believable as an "Ambassador," for one thing. Were I a parent, I'd definitely prefer someone more stable trying to inform my son about the finer points of the Human Condition ... that's for certain.
 
I haven't seen the episode recently. But I've seen it a few times. And I don't remember seeing any breasts or 'sex organs'. How do we know they weren't really nude but were wearing something? Which in reality they were. The only really shocking thing to me was Troi's enormous hair. It looked like some big furry animal.
Do you really think a person who gets married naked in front of the entire crew is sitting in a tub of mud with drawers on? :guffaw:

There is of course no nudity, but based on her character, I infer it, which is what got me thinking about the context of that scene, and for me at least, made it a bit... creepier lol
 
Given that we all come out of vaginas and suck on tits multiple times a day for over a year, I find the whole nudity phobia pretty funny.
 
I don't know about all you perfect young bodies on here, but I appreciate a little modesty.

And there are some people who should never be naked, not even home alone. :lol:
 
Given that we all come out of vaginas and suck on tits multiple times a day for over a year, I find the whole nudity phobia pretty funny.
Yes. We all shit ourselves during those years too. I suppose we should be more accepting of the naturalness of that as well. In that case, maybe being nude customarily would be rather utilitarian :lol:
 
Are you saying you'd take baths with your mom & dad all your life?

Considering the number of 21st century family homes that install spa pools - with transparent water in them, if no suds - surely a 24th century opaque mud bath in a holdeck is less offensive. :eek:
 
I've already noted in this thread that I can see how someone "might" or "could" be creeped-out by the mud-bath scene(s) and why. However ...

What's always bothered me about L'Waxana, actually was that she had to be played as a Granny in Mid-Life Crisis. They would make Majel Barrett wear these dresses with these long, open backs, where you can almost see her ass crack (as the L'Waxana character), and it begged the question of "why is this mutton dressed as a lamb?". Because otherewise, Majel was just playing a suprisingly stereo-typical annoyingly excentric mother-in-Law. And this was the show's creator's wife! Although it could be argued - very generously - that perhaps becoming a widow had sent L'Waxana Troi Over the Edge and that would at least be somewhat tragic and sad, whilst explaining at least some of her relentless need for attention.

Majel's Number One was dark and mysterious and kind of ahead-of-her-time, which was very apt, indeed. And interesting, I mean ... I dig what she did with that. But these "dark and mysterious" qualities should've informed the L'Waxana character, as well - minus the "coldness." And her wardrobe should've been far less garish, she ended up looking like the madaam of a brothel, sometimes. I really felt bad for Mrs. Roddenberry. If TNG is ever remade (PLEASE don't let that happen), then I really hope that L'Waxana Troi is rethought and reworked as someone with dignity and grace - and hopefully some of that edgey darkness I talked about. That's what I would've liked to have seen her be like. It's as though Majel never cought a break on her own husband's show ... you know?
 
What's always bothered me about L'Waxana, actually was that she had to be played as a Granny in Mid-Life Crisis. They would make Majel Barrett wear these dresses with these long, open backs, where you can almost see her ass crack (as the L'Waxana character), and it begged the question of "why is this mutton dressed as a lamb?". Because otherewise, Majel was just playing a suprisingly stereo-typical annoyingly excentric mother-in-Law. And this was the show's creator's wife! Although it could be argued - very generously - that perhaps becoming a widow had sent L'Waxana Troi Over the Edge and that would at least be somewhat tragic and sad, whilst explaining at least some of her relentless need for attention.

*SIGH*

Seriously, man. What the fuck?

While I agree that her role as Lwaxana Troi (note the lack of alien accent mark) was played as a bit over the top at times it was explained to us in an episode that Mrs. Troi was going through Betazoidian sexual maturity. So, there's sort of a reason why she was acting like a teenager driven by her sexual drives, she pretty much WAS.
 
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