Spoilers Lower Decks General Discussion Thread

[Danja]

Well .. It's a room with bunk beds.. Id rather have the side hallway with the individual pods...

But it should be 1 room with 2 people in it, roommate style, with a shared bathroom, either shared with neighbor or communal for a section.

Lt may have there own room depending on space and billet.

Imagine voyager having hallway bunks.. Eww

Ever see bunks on a submarine?

The Cerritos is an engineering support ship. She's designed to be strictly utilitarian. She's not a cruise ship like the Enterprise.

Reassuring to see I'm not the only one annoyed by Mariner SHOUTING ALL OF HER LINES.
Keith DeCandido of Tor:
“...starting with the very first scene: Ensign Mariner is the drunken crazy person who’s always loud and getting in everyone’s faces and not understanding personal space, a shtick that wears thin after about two seconds, and which the character returns to far too often. Plus the opening bit—which has nothing to do with the rest of the episode, by the way—goes on about thirty seconds too long... And not that funny, unless you find just the act of two people screaming after a brief pause to be hilarious. Which, to be fair, some people do... when Mariner is just tweaking Boimler and making fun of the senior officers and not being a loud obnoxious drunken moron, she’s way more effective. (It doesn’t help that Tawny Newsome feels the need to shout all her dialogue.)...

Anyone remember Corporal Klinger from "MASH"? He would dress up in women's clothing hoping to get discharged from the Army for insanity.

Perhaps Mariner is doing this on purpose? Captain Freeman is her mother. Perhaps she's trying to get herself kicked out of Starfleet on purpose in order to get away from HER.

 

[Yistaan]

Ever see bunks on a submarine?

The Cerritos is an engineering support ship. She's designed to be strictly utilitarian. She's not a cruise ship like the Enterprise.

Neither was Discovery a century and a half before this cartoon. Discovery was an experimental ship built solely for war/science, and Cadet Tilly had better room than the Lower Decks characters.

 

[fireproof78]

Neither was Discovery a century and a half before this cartoon. Discovery was an experimental ship built solely for war/science, and Cadet Tilly had better room than the Lower Decks characters.

Discovery had a spartan crew too.

 

[Danja]

I'm having a problem reconciling a hard sci-fi show like Trek with bawdy "Family Guy" humor.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm having a problem reconciling a hard sci-fi show like Trek with Family-guy humor.

Worst case scenario they could say these are holographic recreations based on Boimler's logs, so while in general they did happen maybe gag joke in the background at Season 1 Episode 5 timestamp 4:17 didn't necessarily happen.

 

[BillJ]

I'm having a problem reconciling a hard sci-fi show like Trek with bawdy "Family Guy" humor.

Probably because Star Trek has never been hard sci-fi.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Neither was Discovery a century and a half before this cartoon. Discovery was an experimental ship built solely for war/science, and Cadet Tilly had better room than the Lower Decks characters.

Science. The war thing was just a product of the times

 

[fireproof78]

Probably because Star Trek has never been hard sci-fi.

Shhhhh...that's a secret...

 

[Skywalker]

If you want something closer to hard sci-fi, watch The Expanse. And even then it's not quite there.

 

[Orphalesion]

The big question is whether the universal translator will output dolphin speech into English.

I kinda hope it's likethey are really just dolphins (not the 1980s romantic picture of dolphins, but realistic ones) and their translated dialogue is along the lines of "Flipper want tuna!" and there's maybe this one guy/gal who works in Cetacean Ops and insists that they can "truly understand the dolphins!"
Would make it even funnier when they have higher ranks and importance than the Lower Decks folks.

 

[Danja]

Probably because Star Trek has never been hard sci-fi.

What constitutes "hard sci-fi", in your opinion?

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm gonna say if there isn't at least one episode where the dolphins in Cetacean Ops are shown and clearly stated/portrayed to have a higher status than the Lower Decks personnel, I will be a bit disappointed.

Mike said Cetacean ops won’t show up this season, but they hope for season 2.

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps Mariner is doing this on purpose? Captain Freeman is her mother. Perhaps she's trying to get herself kicked out of Starfleet on purpose in order to get away from HER.

Or the admiral's son from Down Periscope.

 

[Orphalesion]

What constitutes "hard sci-fi", in your opinion?

From what I've read, hard scifi is scifi that only works with technologies and scientific concepts that we can right now see as being feasible.
And the last time I read something about it, the jury was out on whether warp travel is in any way feasible. That's saying nothing of ST's transporter, universal translator, replicator, magic medical tech, hordes of humanoid aliens who all can exist in the same biosphere and frequently can have offspring with each other, "de-evolution" viruses, sapient floating energy balls, "god like omnipotent aliens", psychic powers , holodecks (the way they are portrayed), wormhole travel, subspace travel, time travel, the way artificial gravity is portrayed and produced (I think), dimension hoping...the list is very long.

That being said soft scifi is not automatically worse or hard scifi isn't automatically better, just different and Star Trek is "harder" (again not necessarily better) than, for example Star Wars. I'm hard pressed thinking of a Harf SciFi franchise that's as popular as Star Trek and set in space. The Expanse might really come closest.

 

[fireproof78]

Meh, it's all scifi to me...the rest is details. Fans have spent decades trying to explain it but it's still soft.

 

[Orphalesion]

Meh, it's all scifi to me...the rest is details. Fans have spent decades trying to explain it but it's still soft.

Yeah, same with me, a story just has to be good to be well...good in my book.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wish we still had animated avatars, because...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I guess it would go something like this

 

[Skywalker]

I miss animated avatars. All my dancing Vaders gone, like tears in rain...

 

[valkyrie013]

Well.. In my mind.. (It's a roomy place) there are probably intelligent water dwellers from other planets that don't have 2 feet to walk on, so can't use normal decks and stuff.

So I can see a Lt. Darwin ordering around the misfits..