Lost 6x16: "What They Died For"
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It now looks like Eloise won't be making any more appearances. We'll never learn why Widmore wanted Ben to take Alex as a child and kill her? Was he acting on his own or Jacob ordering it? Ben in "Cabin Fever" said Widmore ordered the Purge but why? Surely after the Incidnt in 77 that would have been more than enough reason to slaughter them? Did Richard befriend Ben at the behest of Jacob or acting on his own? Last season when he told Widmore he was taking injured Ben to the Temple to be cured he said Jacob said so but Richard's expression didn't exactly suggest that was true. What did Sawyer whisper to Richard in "La Fleur" to convince him to back down with Dharma? Why did Dharma build the village on top of the ruins? So I guess the whole summoning with the water drain was all Smokey's idea to Ben in "Dead is Dead" but offscreen as part of his elaborate ruse.
See I wanted this stuff cleared up a bit. We never learned who was the Man who was in charge of the Lamp Post and finding the island? Or what the US military was doing on the island in the 50s? Was it to them just a proving ground for nukes? What about Alvar Hanso? Dharma? Ann Arbor mentioned last season? Why did they demand Paul's body last season after Amy's run in and shotting of Others?
Also Ben's attitude change I could buy with regards to Widmore given howhe always held him responsible for Alex's death but why so willing to kill everyone else?
I also can say I'm not that excited to find out about who alt Jack's baby mamma is.
See I wanted this stuff cleared up a bit. We never learned who was the Man who was in charge of the Lamp Post and finding the island? Or what the US military was doing on the island in the 50s? Was it to them just a proving ground for nukes? What about Alvar Hanso? Dharma? Ann Arbor mentioned last season? Why did they demand Paul's body last season after Amy's run in and shotting of Others?
Also Ben's attitude change I could buy with regards to Widmore given howhe always held him responsible for Alex's death but why so willing to kill everyone else?
I also can say I'm not that excited to find out about who alt Jack's baby mamma is.
I'm still thinking Hurley's really going to be it. "I'm glad it's not me" = Famous Last Words.
So alternate Desmond's arranging something at the concert. Sawyer -- er, Ford -- isn't going, but I suppose something's going to come up to make him show up.
Overall, excellent from me. Even a little too fast, though, but I'm not too bothered.
So alternate Desmond's arranging something at the concert. Sawyer -- er, Ford -- isn't going, but I suppose something's going to come up to make him show up.
Overall, excellent from me. Even a little too fast, though, but I'm not too bothered.
Yeah unfortunately I don't see anymore answers coming on the Dharma and Widmore fronts, even though those were my favorite aspects of the story. They're clearly focused on the biblical good versus evil for the fate of the Island bit at this point. I would still like to know the deal with Jacob/Horace's Cabin, though! 
Plenty like who was Penny's mom and all his excursions from the island. How did he and Ellie decide to come to the island?
Yeah and when exactly did Smokey commandeer it?Yeah unfortunately I don't see anymore answers coming on the Dharma and Widmore fronts, even though those were my favorite aspects of the story. They're clearly focused on the biblical good versus evil for the fate of the Island bit at this point. I would still like to know the deal with Jacob/Horace's Cabin, though!
This Sunday, May 23rd. So we have to wail LESS than a week to see it!
I thought so too. Jacob said that they all were living messed up lives but poor Hurley's mess was all because of the "numbers" which are part of the island. He's a nice guy who just got screwed by the numbers.
Well, his life before the numbers wasn't that grand either...it was found at the bottom of a Cluck's bucket of chicken!
Yeah unfortunately I don't see anymore answers coming on the Dharma and Widmore fronts, even though those were my favorite aspects of the story. They're clearly focused on the biblical good versus evil for the fate of the Island bit at this point. I would still like to know the deal with Jacob/Horace's Cabin, though!
yeah i agree with you.
the thing i have cared less about is jacob and the whole canidate thing.
but that is about all we have gotten recently.
I love the Monster's appearances and Jacob and the MIB are fascinating, but I always loved the idea of these Seventies scientist kooks on the Island conducting experiments and warring with the Natives. I wish they spent more time with 70s Dharma, and I wish they'd shown the modern day Dharma coming back to the Island. Of course they can always do a spin-off set years later when the modern day Dharma finally rediscovers the Island and reinvades to conduct their experiments.
And I keep harping on it but I don't think it has been that clear about the whole point with the spring--it cured Ben as a child but cured Sayid and made him evil--well for a little while(whatever was convenient for the plot at the time).Yeah unfortunately I don't see anymore answers coming on the Dharma and Widmore fronts, even though those were my favorite aspects of the story. They're clearly focused on the biblical good versus evil for the fate of the Island bit at this point. I would still like to know the deal with Jacob/Horace's Cabin, though!
yeah i agree with you.
the thing i have cared less about is jacob and the whole canidate thing.
but that is about all we have gotten recently.
Did Dharma ever learn of the Purge? Who was sending the supplies in season two? What is so trippy about arriving to the island Juliet had to be sedated--they teased that one so many times?
And it is still murky about why Jacob let the Six leave the island in season four--he controls who leaves or comes supposedly?
wouldve been an excellent if they had answered the question of the title: what they died for. I was hoping Jacob would explain why Sun/Jin & Sayid had to die...
Jacob says: "i'll give you the choice I was never given..." which sounds almost exactly like Lestat in Interview with the Vampire.
And who was that narrating "over the credits". Sounded like Zelda Rubinstein back from the dead.
Jacob says: "i'll give you the choice I was never given..." which sounds almost exactly like Lestat in Interview with the Vampire.
And who was that narrating "over the credits". Sounded like Zelda Rubinstein back from the dead.
So what does everyone think about Locke's declaration that he wants to destroy the Island? I find it a bit over the top. Didn't Mother tell him and Jacob that the Island was the source of all souls/life in the world? That destroying it would destroy all life on Earth? I thought he just wanted to escape his prison and go to the real world, not destroy it?
I know this is going to sound a little strange but this season's crisis/threat has been a little underwhelming and hasn't really delivered on convincing me of the high epic stakes despite the suggestion that all life and the very planet itself hangs in the balance. There is just a lack of urgency, tension, suspense to all of the proceedings-it has been a little lethargic truthfully. In the past the first act always ratcheted things up to a fever pitch of excitement but this one just sort of leisurely leads into the 2 hour finale. It is odd.
The writers just kept upping the stakes and outdoing themselves over the last 3 previous seasons that I just expected something more. This season just sorta stumbled towards it.
So...what they died for...
I'm guessing they died for nothing.
They died for Jacob's mistake [in making Smokey].
Excellent
Bring on the series finale!
Bring on the series finale!
All of their problems were because of Jacob. I couldn't believe it when he said they were all troubled when he was the enabler. He gave the pen to Sawyer, he interfered with Kate's important life lesson on stealing, etc.
The flash sideways is obviously the world without his interference, and a few of them seem to be doing well enough so far.
If Kate was eliminated because she became a mother, what about Sun? Even Jin...
