Lost 6x13: "The Last Recruit"
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I don't think it's likely that Claire new all along that she was Jack's sister, & never pointed it out. She may have known her dad had a second family, but she didn't know Jack by name
His reaction was.... well.... That jerk of a bloody brilliant actor Terry O'Quinn makes it rather difficult to read him, which is another reason I suspect he's lying sometimes. It's so hard to read his performance, so it's very possible MIB knew & was the source
Here's the thing. They kind of led us to believe they had this all planned out, from the beginning. There was even a point at which they were saying that everything would have a realistic explanation, which seems rather absurd now
Essentially, any problem I have isn't really with the show. I'm still enjoying the hell out of this thing, & will miss it once it's gone. My problem is with the creators. They have always made it appear as though this was all preplanned, like a miniseries, but not mini. A mystery story isn't really a mystery story if the writers don't know what the answers are either, until half way through writing it, & are just flying by the seat of their pants. That just means they're like the writers to any tv show, & I kind of got suckered into thinking they were something more than that. & they've kind of irked me a bit with the fact that they've been jerking my chain, with their statements, over the years. I'll watch a good show, whether it's preplanned or not. Just don't jerk my chain
Yes, and David Fury said in an interview during Season 1 that everything on the show would turn out to have a scientific explanation. That seems to have gone out the window now, as we have a bunch of ghosts running around, and the smoke monster has turned out to be some sort of immortal demigod who will spread evil across the world.
I think all evidence points to the writers not having really thought through the mysteries to the show in Season 1. Or rather, they may have thought through them, but then they subsequently changed their minds on much of it. This was easier to overlook in years past, but now that they're starting to resolve a few mysteries, it's become more apparent.
And it'll presumably intensify in the final episodes. I anticipate that after the finale airs and they've "explained" everything, there'll be a million discontinuities left from past seasons that don't make any sense in light of the explanations given. This is pretty much inevitable when you start writing a mystery before you know what the answers are.
Okay.
I'm disinclined to believe this as anything other than a continuity mistake but perhaps Jin and Sun had spent not just the night but two or even three nights humping like bunnies far away in a new country with nothing important to do but shop until Keamey harshed their buzz.
Yeah, I know, the watch thing (at 11:30PM?) and the same sweater (anytime's right for that sweater!) and probably specific dialog that I've missed placing our heroes at the night of the flight but what the heck! It's LOST!
I'm telling you, it's that sweater! If Sun didn't open it up at just the right degree than, well, you know...
They "lost" a couple of days... works for me...
I'm disinclined to believe this as anything other than a continuity mistake but perhaps Jin and Sun had spent not just the night but two or even three nights humping like bunnies far away in a new country with nothing important to do but shop until Keamey harshed their buzz.
Yeah, I know, the watch thing (at 11:30PM?) and the same sweater (anytime's right for that sweater!) and probably specific dialog that I've missed placing our heroes at the night of the flight but what the heck! It's LOST!
I'm telling you, it's that sweater! If Sun didn't open it up at just the right degree than, well, you know...
They "lost" a couple of days... works for me...
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Not sure how I feel about this episode. Parts of it were great. Parts of it were so-so. Overall I kind of just felt like the pieces were just being moved around so they were where they needed to be for the endgame. No resolution on whether Desmond was executed or not (I strongly suspect not), No real revelations that explain anything big. And yes, Smokey claims that he was Christian on the beach for White Rabbit - and I believe it probably was for that episode - but I don't buy that every time we've seen Christian that he's been Smokey in disguise. After all, who was Christian that appeared to Jack in the lobby off-island?
That being said, I do think Christian that was in the shack with Claire and that was in the well with Locke was Smokey cause those things he told Locke to do lead directly to this point. I dunno, I guess I could buy that all on-island appearances of Christian were actually smokey.......it feels like there's still some more to that story though.
Not sure what Widemore's trying to do by holding the losties hostage like that when they came willingly......
It's nice to see Jin/Sun at least get a full 60 seconds of reunion time before a new crisis pops up.
All in all, it felt like I should have enjoyed it more but it kind of seemed a little bit like a let down and I can't really put my finger on why.
8.4/10
That being said, I do think Christian that was in the shack with Claire and that was in the well with Locke was Smokey cause those things he told Locke to do lead directly to this point. I dunno, I guess I could buy that all on-island appearances of Christian were actually smokey.......it feels like there's still some more to that story though.
Not sure what Widemore's trying to do by holding the losties hostage like that when they came willingly......
It's nice to see Jin/Sun at least get a full 60 seconds of reunion time before a new crisis pops up.
All in all, it felt like I should have enjoyed it more but it kind of seemed a little bit like a let down and I can't really put my finger on why.
8.4/10
^ And the funny thing is you're immortal.
Yes, which makes you realise just how depressing the outlook for TV is.
My hunch is that Christian's off Island appearance will never be explained. I suppose you could chalk it up to Jack really hallucinating, or Jack's subconscious trying to tell him something....not dissimilar to the sideways Losties getting flashes of the other reality.
I remember them saying that the answers would be based on real science or real pseudoscience.
I recall one of the producers saying that the whole story would take place on the island, and that we would never see the outside world. That went out the window at the end of Season Two.
It's also telling that David Fury was only on the show during season one. So maybe this was the idea being tossed around then, and the one he was most on board with, but once he left that went out the window.
I totally agree.
Actually, he never said he was John Locke. It went like this.
Locke: Do you know who I am?
Desmond: Of course, You're John Locke.
And Flocke didn't correct him.
It's possible, and he's certainly lied before when it suited him, but this season he seems to have dropped all pretense. "I am that Smoke thing." There doesn't really seem to be any reason for him to lie anymore, and when he does lie, there's always been a reason. I don't see any reason for him to lie about something like this, especially when he's fessed up to Claire about a lot of things lately.
This is Lost, so they could pull a fast one on us, but I'm still convinced Christian was MIB.
Well lying would serve a big purpose in this situation since it would help convince jack that Jacob wasn't trying to help him/them and that there was no "third party" on the Island that might also have been trying to help Jack.
If Smokie said "no" that it wasn't him that appeared as Christian, then jack would know that there were still other "people" or options open to him, rather then following NotLocke and he might try and get help from these "people".
It is in Smokies best interest to make everyone believe that he has been behind everything that has happened and that it was all for "the greater good" and to stop "badguy" Jacob. Because if they believe him, then they have no where else left to turn.
but we know that there is still some other force out there (undead Jacob or something else) that is creating the children that are following NotLocke around (the ones that make him so angry).
And as long as Smokie can only pretend to be dead people, then there is still "Ghost" Walt that is also unaccounted for.
So if Christian was Smokey, how did Smokey appear on the Freighter?
I thought the explanation was very meh, just something they came up with because it's the simplest possible one and there are just a few more episodes.
Another thing I was really annoyed with was Sun and Jin talking to each other in English. Why the hell would they do that? It makes no sense. And then Frank saying she "found her voice" was just really melodramatic and even stupider. Dude, she already had a voice! She just couldn't speak English!
On the whole, the episode was OK but a bit too predictable... It's the first time I've voted "average" this season.
Yeah, but the difference between you and me is that you haven't given up on TV yet. I have.
I'm just running down the clock on the shows I already do watch.
So if Christian was Smokey, how did Smokey appear on the Freighter?
I thought the explanation was very meh, just something they came up with because it's the simplest possible one and there are just a few more episodes.
Actually, with regards to people appearing, I get the impression they've given a lot of thought to it. Afterall, they've been saying he was Yemi since the early third and it was clear he was Alex in the temple. The only question was if he was Christian. Now the only question is if he was Christian all the time (hence the doubt with the freighter).
Maybe Jin wanted to show that he learned English in the three years they were apart?
Another thing I was really annoyed with was Sun and Jin talking to each other in English. Why the hell would they do that? It makes no sense. And then Frank saying she "found her voice" was just really melodramatic and even stupider. Dude, she already had a voice! She just couldn't speak English!
Who the hell wants to read captions during such an emotional reunion! ... but yeah, Frank's line was pretty stupid.
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