Lost 6x12: "Everybody Loves Hugo"

[roliver]

I think Desmond was just trying to give Locke a "near death" experience.

Why not pursue the love angle like he did with Hurley? Was Desmond confident enough that he could run over someone with a car and only give them a "near death" experience instead of a "full on game over you are dead" experience? What if Locke had been killed?

But I have to remind myself that this show is written by people that have characters think that blowing up atomic bombs will make everything better.

My initial reaction was it was payback for Locke throwing Desmond in the well.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Why not take a break and wait for the DVDs and then watch them all at once. Or DVR Lost and watch all the episodes at once. Either way, save yourself the anguish of watching the episodes slowly and the rest of us the anguish of listening to you bitch every single week.

Well pardon me, I'll refrain from inflicting myself on you. Silly me, I thought this was a grading and discussion thread where you discuss and grade how you feel about the episode.

Just because you're a mod doesn't give you the right to make a personal comment jackass.

 

[Jenee]

Locke's true colors showed for a moment there at the end when he pushed Desmond in the well. For a long time I was holding out hope that maybe like the Vorlons and Shadows, Jacob and Flocke were trying to manipulate the inhabitants of the island and neither was truly evil, but the well scene sort of cemented it for me.

I think it was last week for me - or maybe the week before. I don't remember off the top of my head what specifically, but ... They're just going way to far with NotLocke's character to try to turn things around at the last minute and say he's not evil. I don't know how allowing Claire to kill Kate is "protecting the island".

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Why not take a break and wait for the DVDs and then watch them all at once. Or DVR Lost and watch all the episodes at once. Either way, save yourself the anguish of watching the episodes slowly and the rest of us the anguish of listening to you bitch every single week.

Well pardon me, I'll refrain from inflicting myself on you. Silly me, I thought this was a grading and discussion thread where you discuss and grade how you feel about the episode.

It was a suggestion to save yourself displeasure, since you clearly aren't happy each week. Nothing more.

Just because you're a mod doesn't give you the right to make a personal comment jackass.

I'm not a moderator of this forum. Comments are being made only as a poster. It was not my intent to offend you, just offer some advice.

 

[LitmusDragon]

Above average, maybe excellent.

The scene with Benny marking Locke like a clay pigeon was creepy. I guess Locke is an unlucky guy in any timeline.

So we finally get an explanation for the whispers! If you go all the way back to season one when the whispers were sometimes associated with flashbacks, does this mean the souls on the island are trying to show the losties the mistakes of their past so that they don't end up like them?

People being trapped on the island after they die does make it a kind of purgatory after all, but not in an annoying way.

I enjoyed NotLocke's creepy "aren't you afraid" speech.

 

[Jenee]

I enjoyed NotLocke's creepy "aren't you afraid" speech.

I did too. I knew he was going to throw Des down the well, but, was wondering why Des just stood there - he had to know.

 

[Mr Awe]

Above average. Very nearly an excellent. Good solid story.

Desmond is obviously trying to hook everyone up with their soulmates. This task obviously resonates with him because of Penny. However, I think there is more too it. I think he is also making it so everyone is invested in this timeline. Probably because at some point they'll have to sacrifice in order to protect it. I think even by running over Locke it fits that plan. By nearly dying, Locke will see into the island and get a sense that he's become a monster there. He won't want to preserve the island.

I still think that the flashsideways are not into an alternate universe. It's the one and only universe, just modified so that 815 did not crash. I don't think it's a bad timeline that will need to be erased. But, I think that's Desmond's purpose right now. To make the characters invested in that timeline so they won't put the island before it. The real John Locke is not going to want to become the MiB. Nor will he want to be killed by Ben!

It's becoming clear that the characters will have to choose at some point. Desmond is tipping the balance of that decision right now. The nature of that decision and sacrifice remains to be seen.

Mr Awe

 

[RoJoHen]

I had an interesting thought, what if Desmond in the flash sidewys is really Jacob. Just like the MIB who is for a lack of a better term inhabiting Lockes body on the island. Jacob is doing it in the flash sideways. So it is still Jacob bringing them back together. If you think about how Desmond has been acing, it's very Jacob like.

I actually had this exact same thought last night for a moment.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

damn, if he did that to Locke, really curious how he is gonna persuade the rest. How many episodes are left? 4 with the finale? Now I'm still waiting for them to reveal more stuff about Walt and his powers. I can't believe I almost missed the Human Fund line, Hurley said to his mom. Human Fund is a Seinfeld reference.

 

[The Habs Fan]

Perhaps the dead people do it to serve as a warning that something dangerous is approaching, but since nobody can actually talk to the dead people, all they perceive are whispers.

There's a problem with the explanation we were given. When Sawyer first heard the voices back in an earlier season, he heard the voice of the man in Australia that he shot. How and why would that person be trapped on the island and unable to move on? It makes no sense.

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

 

[Checkmate]

Something else I noticed is that his number at the chicken shack was "42." Was that the first time we saw a prominent use of the numbers in the alternate universe? I know Hugo's winning numbers there were not the same ones, and I don't recall anyone using them outside of "Oceanic 815."

 

[label]

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

The writers have said repeatedly and specifically that the island is absolutely not purgatory or anything similar........

 

[RoJoHen]

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

The writers have said repeatedly and specifically that the island is absolutely not purgatory or anything similar........

And yet, last night's episode happened.

 

[LitmusDragon]

The way I see it, it's not the purgatory. It's a purgatory.

If you happen to die there and are troubled you hang around as a ghost. That's the general rule of how ghosts work, I think.

I don't think everyone we've seen Hurley talk to who was dead has been trapped on the island, it doesn't fit. I think there are ghosts trapped on the island and Hurley can talk to them, but he can talk to other dead people too. For example when he talked to Charlie off-island, or when he talked to his friend from the insane asylum on-island.

 

[RoJoHen]

The way I see it, it's not the purgatory. It's a purgatory.

Yeah, same here. This show isn't mimicking any specific religion or anything, but the idea of purgatory definitely seems to be at play.

 

[label]

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

The writers have said repeatedly and specifically that the island is absolutely not purgatory or anything similar........

And yet, last night's episode happened.

I'm not sure I follow.......what about last night's episode led you to conclude that the island is "the" or "a" purgatory......?

 

[RoJoHen]

Well, the Island itself might not necessarily be purgatory, but Michael and the other ghosts/whispers definitely appear to be trapped and unable to move on to any kind of afterlife. That's purgatory enough for me.

 

[LitmusDragon]

I'm not sure I follow.......what about last night's episode led you to conclude that the island is "the" or "a" purgatory......?

Hugo posed the idea and Michael confirmed it that the whispers were dead people who couldn't "move on" (Michael's words). So, dead people trapped on the island is a kind of purgatory.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

One other thing about this episode, I got the feeling that NotLocke was not talking about "The Island" when he said, "Get off this rock." I fell that he was talking about the Earth in general. Why else would he say "Rock" and not "Island?"

 

[Gertch]

Gotta ask... Why did Desmond run over Locke? Let the theories pour in.

Does he have to die, again, for them to get back to the Island?