Lost 4x12: "There's No Place Like Home, Part I"

[Mitty]

Thought it was pretty good. But the whole thing where the plane ended up is still the most stupid part of all. The plane was flying from Sydney to LA, but ended up between Australia and Indonesia.

Let's imagine instead that it was flying from LA to New york. So it might crash on the island which happens to be in Wichita, Kansas. But to hide the existance of Wichita, they instead say that the plane crashed in Vancouver.

I don't think any pilot is that incompetent.

 

[propita]

Regarding the preview for the finale...

Spoiler

Did it seem like Sawyer was gonna jump off the chopper so it would have enough fuel to make it?

Looked that way to me, too.

Hard to remember Ben was to be a minor, few-episode character, huh? I swear, Sun is so kick-ass. To avenge Jin, she could out-Ben Ben. I totally see her having no problem killing in vengeance--but no need to kill Daddy. Buying the company out from under him is far better vengeance.



As to posts about timing, yeah--Kate was 6 months pregnant, Aaron is 5 weeks old, and they were "on the island" 100+ days. I guess Aaron was "born" at 8 months or so? A physical of Kate would show lack of birth. And Jack's recent appendectomy.

 

[Mr Light]

I just realized something. Claire's Mom miraculously wakes up from a coma... just when Claire goes off with Jacob, who can heal cancer from thousands of miles away?

Is this why Claire agreed to go with Christian? To heal her mom? Remember Christian loved her mom so he would put in a word to Jacob as well.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Clearly when Sun says that her husband is dead several episodes previous, it was part of the cover-up. Hence why Jin had to go sneaking around to leave her the panda. I still don't know why people keep saying he's dead.

Jin was getting the panda for one of Mr. Paik's business associate's daughter in a flashback, hence his "I've only been married for a few months" line near the end of "Ji Yeoung." I'm pretty sure that was just the writers being more intentionally misleading than usual, by sticking flashbacks and flashfowards into the same episode. I don't think Jin is going to leave the island, which is why his tombstone in Sun's flashforward had his date of death as the day of the crash, 9/22/04, same as everyone else who "died" in the Oceanic 6 story.

Agreed, but that being said, I think Jin is very much alive, despite the suggestion that he'll be blown up.

I went with average. I don't know, something about it just didn't do much for me. For one thing, when Kate and Sayid were captured by the "Others", I'm rolling my eyes and thinking "Oh crap, here we go with that again. Can we please move on?"

I don't think it's going to be a repeat of last time. In fact, I think Richard will convince Sayid and Kate to help them take on the mercenaries.

Which leads me my next question, if Richard (or whateverTF his name is) and his apparently well-armed minions are out there in the jungle, where the hell were they when all the shit was going down at "New Otherton?" That part of episode annoyed me so much that I guess it kind of tainted my view of the whole episode. Having the "others" suddenly show up seemed like a step backwards.

They've been hiding out at the Temple since the end of season 3, as per Ben's orders (or was it Richard's suggestion, I don't remember).

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Clearly when Sun says that her husband is dead several episodes previous, it was part of the cover-up. Hence why Jin had to go sneaking around to leave her the panda. I still don't know why people keep saying he's dead.

Jin was getting the panda for one of Mr. Paik's business associate's daughter in a flashback, hence his "I've only been married for a few months" line near the end of "Ji Yeoung." I'm pretty sure that was just the writers being more intentionally misleading than usual, by sticking flashbacks and flashfowards into the same episode. I don't think Jin is going to leave the island, which is why his tombstone in Sun's flashforward had his date of death as the day of the crash, 9/22/04, same as everyone else who "died" in the Oceanic 6 story.

Agreed, but that being said, I think Jin is very much alive, despite the suggestion that he'll be blown up.

Well, she was really mad at her father and blamed him for Jin's death. While it's possible she was just sticking to her story, I'm not quite so sure right now.

I went with average. I don't know, something about it just didn't do much for me. For one thing, when Kate and Sayid were captured by the "Others", I'm rolling my eyes and thinking "Oh crap, here we go with that again. Can we please move on?"

I don't think it's going to be a repeat of last time. In fact, I think Richard will convince Sayid and Kate to help them take on the mercenaries.

My assumption is Ben already did that. Either way, they're definitely marching to war.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I just realized something. L. Scott Caldwell was in the guest credits but we didn't see her (or was she in the background and I just missed her?).

Jin was getting the panda for one of Mr. Paik's business associate's daughter in a flashback, hence his "I've only been married for a few months" line near the end of "Ji Yeoung." I'm pretty sure that was just the writers being more intentionally misleading than usual, by sticking flashbacks and flashfowards into the same episode. I don't think Jin is going to leave the island, which is why his tombstone in Sun's flashforward had his date of death as the day of the crash, 9/22/04, same as everyone else who "died" in the Oceanic 6 story.

Agreed, but that being said, I think Jin is very much alive, despite the suggestion that he'll be blown up.

Well, she was really mad at her father and blamed him for Jin's death. While it's possible she was just sticking to her story, I'm not quite so sure right now.

Possibly, or she's mad that she was forced to leave him behind for whatever reason and blames her dad for them being on Oceanic 815 in the first place.

I went with average. I don't know, something about it just didn't do much for me. For one thing, when Kate and Sayid were captured by the "Others", I'm rolling my eyes and thinking "Oh crap, here we go with that again. Can we please move on?"

I don't think it's going to be a repeat of last time. In fact, I think Richard will convince Sayid and Kate to help them take on the mercenaries.

My assumption is Ben already did that. Either way, they're definitely marching to war.

At last, we finally got our army!

 

[PsychoPere]

Which leads me my next question, if Richard (or whateverTF his name is) and his apparently well-armed minions are out there in the jungle, where the hell were they when all the shit was going down at "New Otherton?" That part of episode annoyed me so much that I guess it kind of tainted my view of the whole episode. Having the "others" suddenly show up seemed like a step backwards.

Ben sent his people, under Richard's leadership, to the Temple in "Through the Looking Glass." He believed that they would be safe there, which is precisely where they were when Keamy attacked the barracks. Having the Others reappear isn't a step backwards; it's a necessary step towards the conclusion of the series. We're not going to get all the answers about the Island from Widmore's people; answers are obviously going to have to come from those who've spent a great deal of time on the Island.

Soon enough, we'll return to Richard convincing Sayid and Kate to help him, the Others, Ben, and Locke take on the mercenaries. Taking them "hostage" was simply the only way to ensure they would listen to him.

 

[gh4chiefs]

I went with average. I don't know, something about it just didn't do much for me. For one thing, when Kate and Sayid were captured by the "Others", I'm rolling my eyes and thinking "Oh crap, here we go with that again. Can we please move on?"

I don't think it's going to be a repeat of last time. In fact, I think Richard will convince Sayid and Kate to help them take on the mercenaries.

Well it may end up being that way, I'm just commenting on what I saw last night that left me with the "here we go again" feeling.

I don't know what's happened to me, I can't say what specific event caused this, but sometime over the last few weeks, I've basically lost interest in the overall island mythology and with the exception of wondering WTF Lostzilla is, I pretty much just don't care any more.

I'm kind of watching now to see: 1) How exactly did just these 6 get off the island? and; 2) Why did everybody else stay behind? and; 3) Why the lies? and finally; 4) Who was in the coffin?

It appears we might get the answers to those questions in 2 weeks, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Rest assured, you'll get your answers.

Spoiler: Minor spoilers for the finale

The producers have already said we'll find out how and why the Oceanic 6 left the Island in the finale. I figure it's safe to assume that we'll also find out why the others stayed behind, too. I don't expect to learn who was in the coffin until next year. As for the lies, all in good time.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Seems like I read somewhere that they said we would know the identity of the person in the coffin this year. In fact, someone posted that the people over at DarkUFO knows who it is but aren't posting it. So I'm assuming we'll see it in 2 weeks.

As for what we'll learn in future seasons, I don't know if I'll stick around for that or not. My interest in LOST kind of ebbs and flows, and right now I'm in that "worn down" phase where I just want it to be over. Maybe the finale will be so good that I'll get into it again. The big long breaks between seasons doesn't help.

Edit to add: I found this quote in another thread and this leads me to believe we will find out the identity of the person in the coffin.

I'm mad that the DarkUFO guy knows and is withholding the info until next week, but It's good for me because I'm tempted to look.

 

[Agent Richard07]

Just bringing over the recent quotes from the "Eggtown" thread...

Although one reporter is skeptical based on simple math. I guess Kate could argue she wasn't showing yet (which does happen at point, just not very often).

There are stories of people who are pregnant but people don't know (hell, some people manage to hide their pregnancy until they give birth).

Yeah, but it's still not that common. I remember a Law & Order: Special Victims Unit episode where a girl tried to claim she didn't even know she was pregnant until the baby came out. Stabler and Benson were quite skeptical (and if I remember correctly, she lied).

Kate, on the beach, 6 months pregnant.

Seriously though, I did a quick Google Image search for "6 months pregnant". There were a few pics where the women weren't really showing and others where they were showing a lot.

I have to say something about Kate/Evangeline though... It doesn't look like she has the hips to give birth without a c-section.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Yeah, but it's still not that common. I remember a Law & Order: Special Victims Unit episode where a girl tried to claim she didn't even know she was pregnant until the baby came out. Stabler and Benson were quite skeptical (and if I remember correctly, she lied).

Well, I'd assume she'd know if she was pregnant, but it's possible to hide it from others. I'm thinking of the Amy Grossberg case, where she was able to hide her pregnancy from an entire college campus and give birth without anyone knowing about it (things, of course, went tragically from there, but that's pretty off topic).

Also, how many people know what Kate looked like when she got on the plane? The Marshall, the guy who checked the gun case in Sydney Airport, and the Australian guy who Kate lived with. Is that it? The Marshall's dead, the airport guy might not have been paying attention to what she looked like, and the Australian guy might know the truth but I don't think he's going to say.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Hmm,

I think my interest in LOST just picked up again.

 

[warriorsfan]

Clearly when Sun says that her husband is dead several episodes previous, it was part of the cover-up. Hence why Jin had to go sneaking around to leave her the panda. I still don't know why people keep saying he's dead.

I think it's definitely still up in the air as to whether he is alive or not. The fact that he has a "grave" is meaningless, as that would simply be part of keeping up the appearance that he died when 815 crashed (Christian Shepard got a traditional burial even though there was no body to bury). I think the reason so many people think he is dead is because Sun and Hurley seemed genuinely mournful when they visited his grave. But then again, they are also under the impression that they will never go back to the island so perhaps they are just sad because they think that Jin will never see his child and that Sun's baby will grow up without ever knowing her father.

Now, for the "Jin is dead" side of the argument, I can see that too. The writers have no qualms about killing off main characters, and the season finale would definitely be the time to kill off one of the original main characters if that was going to happen. Plus, it's totally within Jin's character to sacrifice himself to ensure the survival of his wife and child, so I can envision him making a heroic sacrifice on their behalf. Remember, he did say that he would do ANYTHING to get Sun off the island. A bit of foreshadowing perhaps? If they killed Charlie, I can see them killing off Jin as well. He's not quite the pivotal character that Jack, Kate, Sawyer or Locke are.

 

[that1guy]

Seems like I read somewhere that they said we would know the identity of the person in the coffin this year. In fact, someone posted that the people over at DarkUFO knows who it is but aren't posting it. So I'm assuming we'll see it in 2 weeks.

As for what we'll learn in future seasons, I don't know if I'll stick around for that or not. My interest in LOST kind of ebbs and flows, and right now I'm in that "worn down" phase where I just want it to be over. Maybe the finale will be so good that I'll get into it again. The big long breaks between seasons doesn't help.

Edit to add: I found this quote in another thread and this leads me to believe we will find out the identity of the person in the coffin.

I'm mad that the DarkUFO guy knows and is withholding the info until next week, but It's good for me because I'm tempted to look.

They confirmed in the audio podcast a few weeks ago that we will find out who's in the coffin this year in the finale. We will also know how and why only the 6 of them got off the Island.

I have a feeling it's going to be crazy. My guess as to who's in the coffin: Claire. It was a small coffin, but not quite small enough for a kid. Jack went because he found out it was his sister, and there weren't many people there because they couldn't make a big deal as a result of saying she was already dead in the plane.

 

[Mallet]

But the whole thing where the plane ended up is still the most stupid part of all. The plane was flying from Sydney to LA, but ended up between Australia and Indonesia.

Let's imagine instead that it was flying from LA to New york. So it might crash on the island which happens to be in Wichita, Kansas. But to hide the existance of Wichita, they instead say that the plane crashed in Vancouver.

I don't think any pilot is that incompetent.

I'm pretty sure that is just part of the cover-up. They obviously had to say that the island where they were stranded was somewhat close to where the fake wreckage was discovered.

The actual island could have been 100's if not 1000's of miles away from what they showed on the board.

it's all just part of the cover-up.

 

[witchie]

There was someone else on the plane with the O6 and Michelle Forbes. Someone on another site posted a link. I totally missed it, but there is definitely someone there. Is that Locke or Christian or Jacob?

 

[Mr Light]

It can't be Claire in the coffin, Kate said "why would I go to HIS funeral?"

 

[Jenee]

By the way, I wonder how much they got as a settlement. It must have been an obscene amount if Sun can buy a majority of her dad's company.

I wondered about that too. And Kate's living pretty well for herself. I'm wondering if the O6 aren't being 'paid to lie' by Ben/Whidmore/Dharma ...

So Sun said two people were responsible for her and Jin being on Oceanic 6, her dad and...who?

You mean Oceanic 815. I wondered also. Could have been herself. She wanted to leave him. Maybe she 'planned' a vacation so she could escape without her father tracking her down ... or ... something like that ...

 

[Mallet]

By the way, I wonder how much they got as a settlement. It must have been an obscene amount if Sun can buy a majority of her dad's company.

Unless of course the 5 of them (Sun, Hurley, Jack, Kate & Sayid) all pooled their settlement to give her enough money to buy the stock.

Maybe Jack & Sun have a plan to take the fight to Widmore.