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Lore's best story

What was Lore's best story?

  • Datalore

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Brothers

    Votes: 11 78.6%
  • Descent

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    14

tim0122

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Out of Lore's three TNG appearances, which is his best?

Personally, I don't think any are great, but Datalore is probably the best for me. But Datalore also annoys me since I know Lore can't be trusted and I'm yelling at the screen during the Data and Lore switch. But those are just plot elements I personally find annoying. Objectively, it's fine.
 
First, an overview of the stories, based on my warped perceptions:

1. Datalore = An imperfect story (beaming with shields up, contractions galore, adults dumbed down to make Wesley look better), etc, it's the character of Lore that makes up for it all and - indeed - he is pretty solid for season 1 villain, topped by the acting of Lore by Brent Spiner is nothing ever less than phenomenal. Best of all, once Lore is let loose and kicking folks in the head and pummelling the strongest crewmember in some tightly directed scenes, you know the shizzle has sizzled on the fan and Lore is a palpable threat and immediate danger. The story's not perfect by any measure, but there's enough in the acting, execution, and incidental music to up the ante with and makes for a surprisingly entertaining watch. More than it arguably deserved to be at times what with some dialogue choices.

2. Brothers = An imperfect and surprisingly dreary story (adults letting children wander around in malls where trees in plain view bear fruit not healthy to humans and there's no adults to keep the pesky little kids away from nibbling), and apparently we have Pakleds to thank for saving Lore. Add in a command code override in Data to haul his hydraulic heiney home and there's a recipe for disaster. It gets worse as it's Data's creator (who still exists, of which Brent Spiner pulls off a THIRD character as a triple-role), but this is season 4 and they're already looking at season 1 characters to build upon no matter how contrived. Brent still excels regardless, but Lore doesn't feel like he's used much in this one.

3. Descent = A story with a point that descended into sheer inane dumbery the moment Lore appears, so at least the bulk of pt 1 was fairly decent and with potential. (Prior to this episode, regarding the Borg, we get Picard trying to pull a Kirk trope (nag a computer until it self-destructs), and now we see the results: Now we have a buncha Borg who are the utter opposite of their original M.O. and it's legitimately chilling and with potential to have one-upped TBOBW. These Borg don't care about technology or equipment. They do not want to add lives to grow their ranks but to murder in heinous ways. There's a great plot in this. These new Borg, since they're the opposite of the Collective, might find Data to be a worthy addition to their ranks since the Collective said Data would be obsolete. But, nope, this is now the tail end of running-on-farty-fumes season 6 of the soapbox show, so we have Troi now able to read positronic technology as opposed to organic chemistry and can sense "real emotions" out of him. Complete with more farting muzak-- well, thankfully there's little music and the plotting strong enough to carry itself. Until the end, where "The brothers of Soong are here in a sweeps week bonanza, moohahaha!" WTF is this garbage. Oh, never mind how much worse part 2 descends into as well...


Since I was editorializing just a teensy bit, it's safe to say that - in terms of the use of Lore alone - these three are in the same order I'd vote them in as well.

In terms of rating the overall stories, "Descent" is actually #1 - but only if you remove the dumb Lore inclusion and I'm pretty sure these shiny new Borg would have figured themselves out without Lore needing to do his schmaltzy song and dance routine in pt 2.

So with that aside, in terms of overall stories as they are, the aforementioned ordering remains the same. Neither "Brothers" nor "Descent" comes close, and even "Brothers" has better execution and ideas handling, which says a lot since "Descent" wouldn't have taken much to be the runner-up for in terms of story as killer psycho Borg are downright creepy, but in comes Lore... (never mind how much worse it gets in pt 2)
 
Brothers, mainly because we finally got the entire family together. It was nice to see Soong was still alive.
 
Not on the list (because technically not TNG), but in a way, my favorite Lore story is the Picard finale — because the Data at the end of that story is Lore, just with Data’s complete memories added in to what was already there.
 
Another vote for "Brothers" here. I am not a big fan of Lore as a character, but that's the best of the three. In "Datalore," the crew is just mind-numbingly stupid. And in "Descent," I will never get past the cringe-inducing "The sons of Soong have joined together, and together we will destroy the Federation" mustache twirling cliffhanger.
 
I almost voted for "Descent" because "Brothers" feels more like a Data or Soong story featuring Lore than a Lore story. But, I concluded that was a silly distinction, and went for "Brothers."
 
I absolutely give it to Brothers, primarily because it gave Lore more of an emotional core in his actions than in the other two appearances. Sure, "Daddy didn't love me enough" is a classic or cliche, depending on how you want to look at it, but it was met with genuine emotion, because it was Lore, showing up unexpectedly on his father's doorstep, and we see Soong TRYING to convey to him that there was love there, but Lore had been so broken by what he had seen as abandonment for the "shiny new younger model," he refused to accept it.

In comparison, Datalore just goes the traditional "evil twin" route (and isn't helped by the general issues of season one TNG writing), and in Descent, he basically hijacks the Borg story in the name of going "mwahaha, now I will destroy the Federation!" and effectively ripping him of a lot of that nuance, since he could now use the Borg as his minions, particularly when his attitude had never seemed to take him all the way to "kill ALL THE ORGANICS!" Like I can see the points in between there, but there was just not enough build to justify that for me.
 
Brothers provides crucial insight into Lore's situation. No longer is he just evil Data. He's got a legit malfunctioning aspect, that may be at the source of all his behavior, a behavioral disorder, as it were.

This is thoroughly evident in Spiner's portrayal of him, in this episode, more than others. (Which I don't think is as bad as others claim) Lore's issue is that he has no emotional control. Every exchange evokes & stimulates a wild shift in emotion... and not always malevolent ones. He is fully overcome with shifts of genuine emotion, at every turn, & those emotions go unregulated, for some reason, & he resultantly acts upon them to his & everyone else's detriment. It's a well-needed furthering of his arc IMHO.

Furthermore, we come away having to question Soong's practices involving his androids, and Data comes away with a far greater objective understanding of both, which I think is echoed quite well in his exchanges with, & decisions regarding Julianna Soong, later on. Soong is not just some infallible visionary creator anymore & Lore is not some inexplicable nemesis. They are more well-rounded persons.

In comparison, Datalore & Descent are just Lore vehicles, with him at the center of a less self-defining plot, even though they do offer some character development
 
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