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Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series

I thought the whole cloning thing in Foundation was something they introduced in the show, so they could have the same actors stick around as the show moved farther and farther ahead? I haven't read the book, but I thought were talking about that when the trailer came out.
 
If they want a canonical Silmarillion, they're going to need a necromancer.
Well, obviously, but the attitude is basically if JRR Tolkien didn't assemble it together then it cannot be regarded as canonical. Same as any other posthumously published works.

As much as I enjoy Lord of the Rings the reasonableness of parts of the fandom is questionable, at best.
 
I thought the whole cloning thing in Foundation was something they introduced in the show, so they could have the same actors stick around as the show moved farther and farther ahead? I haven't read the book, but I thought were talking about that when the trailer came out.
Indeed. I don't think it was a very good fix for adapting the sprawling narrative but I might be in a minority.
 
Well, obviously, but the attitude is basically if JRR Tolkien didn't assemble it together then it cannot be regarded as canonical. Same as any other posthumously published works.

As much as I enjoy Lord of the Rings the reasonableness of parts of the fandom is questionable, at best.
As long as they are his words, in something at least relatively close to the order he wrote them in, that would be good enough for me.
 
For The Silmarillion and later books, I'm not sure we know which words were JRR's and which were his son's interpolations. Both men are no longer with us so we may never know. There might be a way to estimate where Christopher Tolkien performed the most heavy editing using frequency analysis but it wouldn't be definitive. In any case, I assume the Tolkien estate would want adherence to the books as published.
 
Regardless of who wrote what, the best approach to an adaptation is still the one Peter Jackson took for LotR; treat them like real events, real locations, and the books as actual books written and/or compiled after the fact. That way you're not trying to portray objective reality, but interpreting the story for a new audience, just as one would with a movie/show about Ancient Rome, Babylon, or the reign of Qin Shi Huang. So the details don't matter as much as the overall story since even the source materials don't agree with each other.
 
For The Silmarillion and later books, I'm not sure we know which words were JRR's and which were his son's interpolations. Both men are no longer with us so we may never know. There might be a way to estimate where Christopher Tolkien performed the most heavy editing using frequency analysis but it wouldn't be definitive.
The History of Middle-Earth books, especially the latter ones, give you the original texts and you can compare the texts against the published Silmarillion to understand how CJRT constructed it and where its constituent parts came from. (There's a book that does this, though I'm blanking on its name.)

There's one chapter -- I believe it's "Of the Ruin of Doriath" -- that was written completely by CJRT and Kay as it had no textual basis in JRRT's manuscripts but was essential to the narrative.
 
Right, I was spouting nonsense - fair enough. Just goes to show how out of date my knowledge is of this topic (over 20 years). I'm aware of the History of Middle-earth series - I've just never had the time nor the inclination to delve into it. I'm glad that the extent of CJRT's contributions was documented. I can think of another series of books where the extent to which the father's unpublished works was amended hasn't been documented.
 
Right, I was spouting nonsense - fair enough. Just goes to show how out of date my knowledge is of this topic (over 20 years).

It's all good, my friend. :)

I can think of another series of books where the extent to which the father's unpublished works was amended hasn't been documented.

Dune? I've been side-eyeing that "franchise" for at least fifteen years now.
 
For The Silmarillion and later books, I'm not sure we know which words were JRR's and which were his son's interpolations. Both men are no longer with us so we may never know. There might be a way to estimate where Christopher Tolkien performed the most heavy editing using frequency analysis but it wouldn't be definitive. In any case, I assume the Tolkien estate would want adherence to the books as published.
The History of Middle-Earth books, especially the latter ones, give you the original texts and you can compare the texts against the published Silmarillion to understand how CJRT constructed it and where its constituent parts came from. (There's a book that does this, though I'm blanking on its name.)

There's one chapter -- I believe it's "Of the Ruin of Doriath" -- that was written completely by CJRT and Kay as it had no textual basis in JRRT's manuscripts but was essential to the narrative.
OK, I didn't realize Christopher Tolkien had actually written some material himself, I had just assumed he just put together stuff his father had written.
But then, when I first started getting into Dune I thought the same thing about the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books. But once I looked around on the Dune Wiki a bit, I realized their stuff wen way off from Frank Herbert's books, and I find it hard to believe he would have so completely contradicted himself.
At least with the Tolkiens it sounds like Christopher's stuff fits his father's better.
Damn, everything I just read sounds awesome! Nice to get confirmation on some of the bigger questions, like will Isuldur be involved, and will they condense the timeline, and for anyone who hasn't read the article, the answer to both is yes.
 
Wow, that's a fantastic article and the photographs are gorgeous. Consider me very excited indeed!

Unsurprisingly there are new characters and a compressed timeline (as already discussed). I'm fine with both of those and I'm very curious to see how this all plays out.

Lastly, I'm especially excited that we're going to see Khazad-dûm at the height of its glory! The entire Moria sequence remains my absolute favorite set piece of the entire trilogy. so suffice to say, I'm cannot wait to see more!
 
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In the novels, the aforementioned things take place over thousands of years, but Payne and McKay have compressed events into a single point in time. It is their biggest deviation from the text, and they know it’s a big swing. “We talked with the Tolkien estate,” says Payne. “If you are true to the exact letter of the law, you are going to be telling a story in which your human characters are dying off every season because you’re jumping 200 years in time, and then you’re not meeting really big, important canon characters until season four. Look, there might be some fans who want us to do a documentary of Middle-earth, but we’re going to tell one story that unites all these things.”
I called it! :lol:

At least visually everything looks good so far, though I notice that the elves' ears aren't quite as subtle as they were in the PJ films. But they're not gigantic World of Warcraft ears, either, so it's fine.

The names of the characters created for the show look very fanfic, though, and by that I mean they look like names you'd find people using on The Lord of the Rings Online, closer to generic fantasy names than ones constructed in Tolkien's languages.
 
A take on elves and humans having romantic relationships in this TV Series.
:lol::lol:

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