apparently he still has a command cause he is good at lying and good at the bow chica wowow
Lorca is a coward and murderer, how come he's a Starfleet Captain still??
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Strike one up for women everywhere. One misled because a man is supposedly good in the sack!
Sounds like most Starfleet admirals.I actually feel Starfleet as illustrated by the Admiral deserves everything they get with Lorca. The very question that this thread asked was how did he remain a Starfleet Captain still. It was answered with the latest episode. Admiral Cornwall. Hello? What an idiot. She can't be good at he profession if she is only now weighing up the reality that Lorca is damaged. That nonsense that he may have manipulated her into bed - what was she thinking (apart from 'that') to be having sex with someone in her command anyway? Then to rattle on about how he tricked his way through his psychological tests. Am I the only one who thought how lame that was? Oh you fooled us, it's your fault we were too stupid to see you were a risk. Then doofus Admiral falls into a trap. If she thinks her bed mate is going to save her after she threatened him, well think again.
She's the smartest, least-annoying Starfleet admiral whom I can recall. And she's not too bright and kinda annoying.
I actually feel Starfleet as illustrated by the Admiral deserves everything they get with Lorca. The very question that this thread asked was how did he remain a Starfleet Captain still. It was answered with the latest episode. Admiral Cornwall. Hello? What an idiot. She can't be good at he profession if she is only now weighing up the reality that Lorca is damaged. That nonsense that he may have manipulated her into bed - what was she thinking (apart from 'that'
Typical Startfleet admiral TBH. I cant remeber a single Admiral expect for maybe Admiral Ross in DS9 who was not either corrupt or a imbecile.
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Yeah, except that didn't happen in the show. In fact, it is immediately following the sex that she turns on him. So strike one up for women non-sarcastically, because
a) sex with the male character wasn't so good she forgot how to admiral and
b) when presented with violence from a man it was called out and expressed as what it was, not minimised or immediately forgiven.
On TV, that's quite rare.
Fair enough. She is not a complete dolt -- which one would hope for from an admiral (although which one doesn't always get on Star Trek).
But the obvious play for her when Lorca removes the phaser from her throat is to note mentally "Wow, I judged this guy wrong," downplay the incident at that moment, and then deal with Lorca when you're away from him. You don't go face-to-face with a violent, defensive nutjob.
You can respond "Well she was overcome by the moment." But that's bogus, because people don't rise to being admiral by being so out-of-control that they can't play a situation. And it conflicts directly with how Cornwall responded to the Klingon deception. She barely flinched, didn't give anything away. Which Cornwall is it? The one who responds to surprise by falling apart, or the one who is captured by vicious killers who slaughter her two guards in front of her, and she keeps her cool?
Eh, just about anything can be explained that this is clearly not Unstable Captain 7# but someone she just had sex with, has been patronizing this time, is a close personal friend, and someone who clearly played her like a game of 3-dimensional chess.
Lorac isn't someone who she can respond to rationally because it's a gross personal betrayal.
I'd argue this isn't Kirk and Garth of Izar but Kirk getting betrayed by Spock.
While I'm no fan of treating male violence with "boys will be boys" as TV so often does, I find this a poor hill to die on as she's lashing out assertively to a traumatized veteran and friend who had a Klingon Nam flashback.
That's not courageous or respectable but contemptible.
As a psychologist, she sucks as she has no excuse for reacting that way. If a male psychologist reacted to a shell shocked veteran having an incident, we'd call him an asshole.
Which I guess returns us to the argument that she's a dolt. If I learn while in bed with my wife that she's not only been cheating on me, but she just snuffed out her lover, I'm not saying a word except "I will always love you, baby."
Then I'm talking a whole lot when I get a safe distance away.
Then I'm talking a whole lot when I get a safe distance away.
This has nothing to do with her gender. I'd make the same argument for Lorca, if he were the one who learned that the Admiral was dangerous and couldn't keep quiet.
Which I guess returns us to the argument that she's a dolt. If I learn while in bed with my wife that she's not only been cheating on me, but she just snuffed out her lover, I'm not saying a word except "I will always love you, baby."
Then I'm talking a whole lot when I get a safe distance away.
Well given the way it ENDS, I don't think we have any argument she handled it poorly.
You know, given her response to condemn and insult said former friend and shell shocked veteran and take his command results in her attending a Klingon BBQ.
Lorca's attack was also involuntary.
I have the raging suspicion Lorca is the attempt at a semi-serious deconstruction of...Kirk?
Loose canon, traditional male-worldview, shagging his way through his life with his superiours and subordinates, situation based decision making, loves his ship over everything else and will do everything to keep it, sleeps with a phaser under his pillow, serious abs, somewhat balding...? At least, an attempt at deconstructing the traditional male archetype in genre fiction.
Loose canon, traditional male-worldview, shagging his way through his life with his superiours and subordinates, situation based decision making, loves his ship over everything else and will do everything to keep it, sleeps with a phaser under his pillow, serious abs, somewhat balding...? At least, an attempt at deconstructing the traditional male archetype in genre fiction.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but yeah ... that's the paper I would write, if I were clever enough to have thought of that thesis.
I think that seems unfair to both Kirk and Lorca both. Lorca used his past relationship with Cornwell and attraction to try to persuade her he was okay but there's no indication he's got a traditional male worldview unless we just mean he's a violent warmonger (which is usually part of it). Certainly, he seems to be slowly trying to guide Burnham to replacing Saru (for obvious reasons).
Kirk never let his relationship with Rand go beyond attraction either and the phaser under his pillow thing is more James Bond.
She's just been grabbed by the throat by her friend and lover in a domestic setting and had a gun in her face. The fact (as she points out herself) Lorca has scars from his experiences does not mean she should just accept that behaviour, or his continued presence in the captain's chair. There's nothing 'contemptible' abut her actions.
She's not on the clock in her office, she's just been assaulted in bed.
also she cited a history of his behavior. this was the merely straw that broke the camels back.
Certainly not. There's no question that she make the right call.
