Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust
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With regard to Picard, the fact Starfleet just put him back out there after the events in TNG episodes:
"Best of Both Worlds" (Fully assimilated by the Borg and as Locutus DESTROYS 40+ Federation ships. So, yeah, he took a week off with his Brother and all is well after a fight in the Vineyard.
)"The Inner Light" (Yes, 22 minutes of real time passed - but for Picard, he had lived 70+ years in that other life. So, yeah, IMO he would have practically forgotten HOW to command a Starship. Yet - all is well, and he somehow has the full knowledge of the years, with no ill effects. You'd think a race with THAT level of tech - to easily penetrate alien shields and rewrite an alien brain, could have figured out how to have some leave their dying planet. To this day, I fail to see why many LOVE tjhis episode as "the best of Trek". It could have easily been a better Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode because it was more an anthology episode that a Star Trek episode.)
"Chain of Command" (Boy, Picard must have A LOT of enemies at Starfleet Command because I'm sorry but saying he's the ONLY ONE in the entire Federation that can determine if the Cardassians have a Biogenic weapon; and making him a team of 3 to infiltrate a possible fuly operation Cardassian military base??
<-- But yeah, past that, he was tortured for weeks, and once released Starfleet puts him right back in the Captain's chair.)
As with many things in Star Trek, this may have been brought around in stories when its necessary FOR the story (or when its convenient to ignore it for the episodicness of Star Trek). Other times, its forgotten so easily. Having this be a real thing that people in Starfleet might deal with is an amazing idea, especially after its something its likely viewers of Star Trek in 2017 actually struggle with. Ignoring it and sweeping it under a rug isn't the right answer.
Besides, if it were good enough for Axanar, why isn't it good enough for Discovery? /sarcasm
Oh, yeah, good one! "Wounded," indeed. O'Brien, too, for that matter, though not nearly that bad.
Matt Decker for sure.
Isn't there an episode of Deep Space Nine ("Hard Time", I believe) that shows O'Brien dealing with the after-effects of being imprisoned in his mind? I'd say that would qualify as PTSD as well.
Star Trek is chock full of examples of PTSD. Pike's early malaise after losing several crewmembers at Rigel VII could also be PTSD.
Roddenberry's vizhun.
I wouldn't call any of the Kelvin Universe movies, dark-and-gritty. I think, even when they are kind of dark they still have a sense of fun about them. But that is a good example of the level how dark I think fans will want out of a space opera. When you think about something, being dark-and-gritty you almost run into one issue I think people had with the Berman shows is that they sometimes took themselves way to serious, though personally I think that was more of a TNG issue and not so much with DS9 and even Voyager, especially once Piller moved on.
Also does previous attempts at dark and gritty, space opera have a impact on how we think fans might like this kind of show? People love "Battlestar Galatica" and "Firefly" yet they didn't get huge ratings but do have cult appeal. "Stargate Universe" didn't seem to be liked or get ratings. I think I am one of the few people who liked it. I haven't seen some of the more modern shows as of yet like "The Expanse" so I am not certain about them.
I also do wonder if people will ever like anything that is very genre oriented again that isn't a comic book movie or show. It seems like comic book stuff has relegated Sci-FI even deeper into cult territory than it was before. Unless your "Star Wars" or "Game Of Thrones" of course and even "Game of Thrones." I got to admit I don't see the huge apeal of. I haven't seen it since the Red Wedding ep because I had to go a few years without HBO and I have to watch it over again from the start at some point but when I did watch it, I thought it was a okay show but unless your really into fantasy or period drama I don't see what is so special about it. I actually found "Xenia" much more fun,many years ago.
Jason
Khan beat the shit out of Kirk, broke Carol Marcus' leg and crushed Admiral Marcus skull in the span of two minutes. The death toll from the film is easily in the thousands. Scotty blew one dude out an airlock. We saw people being sucked out into space when the Enterprise was attacked. There was the early attack on the Daystrom facility. Khan murdered about a dozen Klingons.
That is pretty dark-and-gritty to me.
With regard to Picard, the fact Starfleet just put him back out there after the events in TNG episodes:
"Best of Both Worlds" (Fully assimilated by the Borg and as Locutus DESTROYS 40+ Federation ships. So, yeah, he took a week off with his Brother and all is well after a fight in the Vineyard.
"The Inner Light" (Yes, 22 minutes of real time passed - but for Picard, he had lived 70+ years in that other life. So, yeah, IMO he would have practically forgotten HOW to command a Starship. Yet - all is well, and he somehow has the full knowledge of the years, with no ill effects. You'd think a race with THAT level of tech - to easily penetrate alien shields and rewrite an alien brain, could have figured out how to have some leave their dying planet. To this day, I fail to see why many LOVE tjhis episode as "the best of Trek". It could have easily been a better Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode because it was more an anthology episode that a Star Trek episode.)
"Chain of Command" (Boy, Picard must have A LOT of enemies at Starfleet Command because I'm sorry but saying he's the ONLY ONE in the entire Federation that can determine if the Cardassians have a Biogenic weapon; and making him a team of 3 to infiltrate a possible fuly operation Cardassian military base??
And then there's the absolutely incredible instance of the Nomad probe wiping Lt. Uhura's mind completely blank and Dr. McCoy and Nurse Chapel having to reeducate her from scratch using the Enterprise's library computer records. Which begs the question: if you can have your mind wiped so thoroughly that you're effectively a child again and be reeducated and retrained so quickly that you're fully retrained and back to normal by the next episode....what's the point of having Starfleet Academy?
In my mind, Nomad didn't erase anything. He simply interrupted the areas of the brain that retained the skills and information. Nothing else makes sense.
Of course, that is my interpretation.
Forgot that we also had the terrorist attack on the Kelvin archive that likely killed hundreds of Starfleet and civilian personnel.
Nerd.
Begone with you.
Begone with you.
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But there were jokes! You can't have dark and gritty when there are jokes!
All that stuff seems pretty much the norm for PG-13. Most of the death is off screen or aliens, who don't count in some regards because aliens don't exist in real life. It's one of the reasons why on "Stargate" they could kill G'ould and Jaffa like it was nothing but you don't see many humans being killed by humans. Alien life doesn't matter to censors I suspect. Marcus got his skull crushed off screen as well and the scene is played all of Carol's scream and reaction. Then you bring in the fact that Trek uses ray guns, instead of real world guns which also makes the violence seem more tame.
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Rating doesn't mean something is or isn't dark and gritty. I cite Batman: The Animated Series as an example. The rating for that cartoon was PG. Yet the overall theme of the series was very dark, gritty, and focused on the dramatic. Rating means bupkis when it comes to whether or not something is considered dark and gritty.
I agree, somewhat but I think we can all agree that their are different levels to this. HBO and Showtime are one level of what you can do, FX,AMC is a notch bellow that and, USA,TBS,Sci-FI are bellow those. CW seems a notch lower and then at the very bottom you have ABC,CBS,NBC and Fox, though for some reason Fox always seems to either get away with more or simply tries to get away with more than the other basic network channels.
I think it's not very likely this show will feel like a HBO or even AMC style of show. I am thinking more "Sci-FI" channel. People keep wanting to compare it to "Game of Thrones" but I think it will feel more like "Battlestar Galatica" IMO. Dark and Gritty but somewhat tamed down by no graphic sex,pg-13 violence and a lack of extensive cussing. Which is okay IMO but i'm not sure that is what casual fans will want. It can be seen as to graphic to some and not edgy enough to others. Then if it takes itself to serious I think that will hurt if people just want some escapism fun, which usually means lots of humor and fun violence as oposed to graphic and depressing violence.
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