Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

[Jedi_Master]

No one is hoping something they love will fail. They hope something they dislike will fail. For example the people who didn't like the new movies and hoped they would fail were obviously not loving them.

I'm finding difficult to believe that such obtuse posts are written by accident.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...So, I believe there's a strong element of "the battle for control" in Star Trek between the fans and the creative powers. The fans like to prove to the creators that they can influence, control and own the franchise. They want to prove that they give it life, and they can kill it as well. It's a power thing. Pure and simple...

I agree.
In an earlier post of mine, I wrote the following:

"[Isaacs' comment] sounds to me as if he is simply being a realist that there ARE changes that have been made and there WILL BE fans who are not comfortable with those changes. However, comfortable or not, the changes are what the changes are, and the fans need to understand that."

And this touches upon what you said. Some fans who are outraged seem to be outraged that they were not consulted on the art direction or story direction this show is taking -- or at least their opinions on those artistic and storytelling matters were not considered.

But the main problem with that kind of fan attitude (an extremely unrealistic attitude, I might add) is that since there are so many different opinions among the fandom, there is no sense in the production team trying to pick the one of those opinions as being an opinion to consider.

 

[Noname Given]

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I think it's a control thing. Someone mentioned earlier that the letter writing campaigns associated with Trek's early beginnings give the fans a misguided sense of "ownership" in the franchise and considerable feelings of entitlement. So, I believe there's a strong element of "the battle for control" in Star Trek between the fans and the creative powers. The fans like to prove to the creators that they can influence, control and own the franchise. They want to prove that they give it life, and they can kill it as well. It's a power thing. Pure and simple.

^^^
And what always cracks me up about the "Star Trek Fan Letter Writing Campaign Saved Star Trek" hoopla - was that said letter writing campaign was actually orchestrated be Gene Roddenberry Yes Bjo Trimble was teh fan figurehead of the campaign - but at the time she had been hired by, and was working for Gene. Gene provided the addresses of who to write to, helped cpome up with the wording of the form letters and paid for the typing/copying of all the fan form letters that were being passed around in fan clubs, etc.

It was the then Executive Producer who put the steam to said 'fan campaign'; and paid for a portion of it. .

 

[Cake]

If Star Trek fails commercially on television.. or streaming in this case... it could be decades before someone tries again... and there ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT THE SAME FANS WOULDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

I really doubt this and we would only know who is right, if DIS fails and we observe the next few decades.

When fans actively attempt to boycott and promote a boycott, when they publicly discuss how much they want the franchise to fail, when they attempt to convince others that it needs to fail, they are endangering the franchise they claim to love. That's behavior that can't be excused.

Nonsense. They aren't endangering the franchise. You think a few people on the internet have so much power? That assumption is just ridiculous.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Good trick for being born in 33AD

Well, some scholars say that if such a historical figure existed, he was born between 6 BCE and 4 BCE...but not 33 AD.

...But I digress

 

[Kemaiku]

We'll, some say that if such a historical figure existed, he was born between 6 BC and 4 BC...but not 33 AD.

I know, I wasn't going to canon accuracy, just the joke. You'll want me memorising stardates next.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Let's leave Jesus out of this, even he wouldn't want to get involved in an argument between Star Trek fans.

 

[Kemaiku]

Let's leave Jesus out of this, even he wouldn't want to get involved in an argument between Star Trek fans.

Well I mean, he died, so I doubt he could contribute anymore than Roddenberry. I don't want to be in that room if you're bringing corpses into it to debate things.

Mind you, they'd still contribute more than some of the fans.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Let's leave Jesus out of this, even he wouldn't want to get involved in an argument between Star Trek fans.

Jesus even hates Jason Isaacs after Isaacs made that comment.

WWTJD?
[What Would Trekkie Jesus Do?]

 

[Jedi_Master]

Well I mean, he died, so I doubt he could contribute anymore than Roddenberry. I don't want to be in that room if you're bringing corpses into it to debate things.

Mind you, they'd still contribute more than some of the fans.

I found footage of fans heading to this thread.

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[Noname Given]

Let's leave Jesus out of this, even he wouldn't want to get involved in an argument between Star Trek fans.

So in effect you're saying:
"What does God need with a TrekBBS?"

 

[ozzfloyd]

Why wouldn't I be serious? Disagreeing with the majority doesn't make someone a troll (I've never trolled in my life). Isaacs is a prick, and knowing how bad he is he's now an actor I actively hate. I went from liking his work to just not caring to actively hating him, but its all based off his own words and actions.

No, it's all based off whatever your psychosis is...

 

[Jayson1]

The "ownership" entitlement myth was fostered by GR as a way to boost the future popularity of a three season show that a lot of people never saw... and for a time Star Trek was so niche that it could conceivably be owned by the fans.
It's not niche anymore, and that seems to piss people off.

I think the feeling of ownership comes also from the fact that Trek would not be a franchise without the hardcore fans. To me the hardcore fans is what makes a franchise a franchise as instead of just something that is a good tv show or movie. Fans buy the toys and stick with the franchise even when it hits a low mark. Complaining is actually a sign of love. You don't see many people complaining about how bad the latest Adam Sandler movie is beyond a few jokes towards how bad most of them are. In the end that is because people don't care if "Pixels" or "Sandy Wexler" is bad. They do care if they think Trek or whatever franchise they love is bad in their opinion. It's when people stop talking and carrying on is when you know your franchise is in trouble.

Jason

 

[Vger23]

I think that someone rooting for the failure of something that other people enjoy is an asshole. They deserve to live the rest of their days watching season two reruns of Space: 1999 with no internet connection.

This about covers it...thanks for saving me the typing.

 

[Mudd]

Why wouldn't I be serious?

Because you have a sense of proportion?

 

[Vger23]

I think the feeling of ownership comes also from the fact that Trek would not be a franchise without the hardcore fans. To me the hardcore fans is what makes a franchise a franchise as instead of just something that is a good tv show or movie. Fans buy the toys and stick with the franchise even when it hits a low mark. Complaining is actually a sign of love. You don't see many people complaining about how bad the latest Adam Sandler movie is beyond a few jokes towards how bad most of them are. In the end that is because people don't care if "Pixels" or "Sandy Wexler" is bad. They do care if they think Trek or whatever franchise they love is bad in their opinion. It's when people stop talking and carrying on is when you know your franchise is in trouble.

Jason

Interesting perspective...but I don't buy it.

Maybe because you're more level headed than those you are trying to figure out...but I think you've grossly underestimated the approach some people are taking here.

 

[Roald]

I think the feeling of ownership comes also from the fact that Trek would not be a franchise without the hardcore fans. To me the hardcore fans is what makes a franchise a franchise as instead of just something that is a good tv show or movie. Fans buy the toys and stick with the franchise even when it hits a low mark. Complaining is actually a sign of love. You don't see many people complaining about how bad the latest Adam Sandler movie is beyond a few jokes towards how bad most of them are. In the end that is because people don't care if "Pixels" or "Sandy Wexler" is bad. They do care if they think Trek or whatever franchise they love is bad in their opinion. It's when people stop talking and carrying on is when you know your franchise is in trouble.

Jason

I commend you for trying to give it a positive spin, and partly you are correct. But this goes way beyond complaining, and I think you know that...

 

[Kor]

Roddenberry himself orchestrated a fan letter writing campaign, and then the world got "Spock's Brain."

Kor

 

[BillJ]

Roddenberry himself orchestrated a fan letter writing campaign, and then the world got "Spock's Brain."

Don't forget he hired Fred Freiberger over Bob Justman to run the show.

 

[Jayson1]

Interesting perspective...but I don't buy it.

Maybe because you're more level headed than those you are trying to figure out...but I think you've grossly underestimated the approach some people are taking here.

I'm not sure. I don't see the complainers doing much beyond making complaints on the internet. We know that everyone will watch the show and we know from TNG or how DS9 has become more of a cult hit when it use to be known as the show that was to dark or didn't go anywhere because of it's space station setting, that those negative views can switch over time. Complaining about stuff that people like seems to be what 40% of what the internet is for 50% is for porn and 10% is for higher educated goals.

Jason