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Looks like DS9 will not get Blu Ray

^Or if there's a change of company heads at CBS (and the successor to the current head of the company is the guy that the head of the CW that wants to do a Star Trek show.

It's easy to be the guy who would love to do a show when he isn't the one writing the check for it.
 
I do think the speed to which the market have adopted streaming wholeheartedly has taken even the industry by surprise. Which is why CBS were genuinely shocked by TNG-R's low sales figures. I reckon a lot of companies had strategies in place working on the assumption that physical media and streaming would still co-exist for a period yet, and have been caught on the back foot by the way people are already taking streaming on board as Entertainment Option #1.

Agreed the change is happening very quickly.
 
^ Star Trek: The Next Generation itself is currently screening here in Australia on one of our HD channels, but the broadcaster hasn't bothered buying new HD copies for broadcast. Presumably because using the old SD transfers is cheaper.

Yeah, and then the question is when they are choosing to air the show? Could be they need a cheap show for a time slot that has low viewership, and since TNG SD is presumably cheaper now with the HD version available, they probably might go for a quality show in SD over a crappy show in HD. I know I would. :techman:

Well, to be fair it is a late night timeslot. Maybe even early morning. So yeah, not exactly 'prime time'. :lol:

It does show that the assumption made by some in this thread -- that if companies provide HD copies of TV shows, then the HD broadcasting stations will fall over themselves rushing to buy the new prints -- is flawed thinking.

Of course, CBS could force broadcasters to take the new prints by simply not selling the television rights to the SD versions anymore. But I suspect that would only result in stations choosing not to run the show at all, unless the licencing fee was reduced to the same as the SD versions (which means CBS would be bleeding money). ;)
 
1. We don't have data caps on mid-market internet packages.

Don't you have internet data caps where you're from?
1. No.

Ah, must be nice.

Macleans: Canada's (almost) 'third-world' Internet access
The National Post: Why Canada has 'Third World access to the Internet'
CBC: Why internet upload speed in Canada lags behind world average (Yeah, I know upload speed isn't really relevant to streaming, but it's part of a pattern here. :))
vice.com: Canada’s Internet Sucks And the Government Has No Real Plan to Improve It (note: mild profanity)

(To be fair, these articles are all from one to two and a half years ago.)
 
It does show that the assumption made by some in this thread -- that if companies provide HD copies of TV shows, then the HD broadcasting stations will fall over themselves rushing to buy the new prints -- is flawed thinking.

No, broadcasters might continue to show HD copies as cheap reruns in the future, whereas they are likely to stop showing SD copies.

I don't expect any stations to enthusiastically schedule Trek reruns in prime slots. It'll be more like :

‘Do you want to extend your broadcast contract for Trek ?'
'Ah, not really.'
'It's in HD now for the same price'.
'Oh, O.K. then.'
 
If it doesn't increase the licensing fees, then what's the motive for CBS?
 
If it doesn't increase the licensing fees, then what's the motive for CBS?

That.

Prime-Trek is generating less and less revenue as time goes on. To some network exec or station manager the odds of someone picking up a remastered Trek is the same as a Babylon 5. One, it looks the same to them and two, its just as relevant.

Making it HD will solve neither of those problems.

So, you're looking at the stations who are currently airing Trek. BBC-A is picking up TNG-R, but if CBS suddenly increased the fee to make money on the product then BBC would just walk away from it or continue airing the SD version - depending on their agreement.

Television stations are in the business of making money, not serving a dwindling audience because it's the right thing to do.
 
1. We don't have data caps on mid-market internet packages.

Don't you have internet data caps where you're from?
1. No.

Ah, must be nice.

Macleans: Canada's (almost) 'third-world' Internet access
The National Post: Why Canada has 'Third World access to the Internet'
CBC: Why internet upload speed in Canada lags behind world average (Yeah, I know upload speed isn't really relevant to streaming, but it's part of a pattern here. :))
vice.com: Canada’s Internet Sucks And the Government Has No Real Plan to Improve It (note: mild profanity)

(To be fair, these articles are all from one to two and a half years ago.)

If it makes you feel better, the data caps on mobile contracts in the UK are utterly ridiculous. Also coverage is intermittent and patchy for 3G and 4G even in big cities.

So although we are well on our way with the home streaming revolution, the wireless mobile one is being held back by a poorly structured mobile phone market.
 
If it doesn't increase the licensing fees, then what's the motive for CBS?

Simply to continue selling Trek (in HD) as a cheap rerun, whereas the market for SD reruns will wither away.

If it makes you feel better, the data caps on mobile contracts in the UK are utterly ridiculous.

I have unlimited everything for £10 per month. Shop around !
 
If it doesn't increase the licensing fees, then what's the motive for CBS?

Simply to continue selling Trek (in HD) as a cheap rerun, whereas the market for SD reruns will wither away.
If it is truly intended to be a "cheap rerun" then the results will not even remotely resemble the results of TOS-R or even TNG-R.

Cheap does not mean pulling the film elements from a salt mine.
Cheap does not mean rescanning said film elements.
Cheap does not mean recompiling the visual effects from either the original film elements or the digital files which may or may not actually be viable in HD.
Cheap does not mean anything remotely resembling what we got with the TNG project.

The closest comparison would be the Doctor Who series 1-4 Blu-rays, which were upscales from the SD source, but those had the benefit of the larger PAL source resolution (576 vs 480, if I recall correctly) that was easier to upscale. They even sold Blu-rays that way, and they're close! But they don't compare to the HD transfers of everything else.

Neither will a "cheap rerun" version of DS9 or Voyager in upscaled "HD".
 
Neither will a "cheap rerun" version of DS9 or Voyager in upscaled "HD".

This pretty much covers it.

There's a point for these shows that diminishing returns sets in and it is simply no longer worth it for CBS to do anything with them. I doubt they're going to spend another $20 million to upgrade something that is now categorized as a "cheap rerun".
 
Neither will a "cheap rerun" version of DS9 or Voyager in upscaled "HD".

This pretty much covers it.

There's a point for these shows that diminishing returns sets in and it is simply no longer worth it for CBS to do anything with them. I doubt they're going to spend another $20 million to upgrade something that is now categorized as a "cheap rerun".

The #4 show on television in 1994 was Grace Under Fire.

I don't think ABC is going to be ponying up the money to remaster that show even though small stations across the country are clamoring for dated programming that costs more than Maury Povich and Judge Judy.
 
Neither will a "cheap rerun" version of DS9 or Voyager in upscaled "HD".

This pretty much covers it.

There's a point for these shows that diminishing returns sets in and it is simply no longer worth it for CBS to do anything with them. I doubt they're going to spend another $20 million to upgrade something that is now categorized as a "cheap rerun".

The #4 show on television in 1994 was Grace Under Fire.

I don't think ABC is going to be ponying up the money to remaster that show even though small stations across the country are clamoring for dated programming that costs more than Maury Povich and Judge Judy.

I was watching Married... with Children last night on DVD, a show I love. The show was obviously done on video tape and looks like utter crap of my 4K TV. But if I want to watch it, then this is how I have to watch it as there is no remastering in its future.

I think Deep Space Nine fans need to realize that the copies they have now are the best copies they're going to get and enjoy the show for what it is.
 
If it doesn't increase the licensing fees, then what's the motive for CBS?

Simply to continue selling Trek (in HD) as a cheap rerun, whereas the market for SD reruns will wither away.
If it is truly intended to be a "cheap rerun" then the results will not even remotely resemble the results of TOS-R or even TNG-R.

Cheap does not mean pulling the film elements from a salt mine.
Cheap does not mean rescanning said film elements.
Cheap does not mean recompiling the visual effects from either the original film elements or the digital files which may or may not actually be viable in HD.
Cheap does not mean anything remotely resembling what we got with the TNG project.

The closest comparison would be the Doctor Who series 1-4 Blu-rays, which were upscales from the SD source, but those had the benefit of the larger PAL source resolution (576 vs 480, if I recall correctly) that was easier to upscale. They even sold Blu-rays that way, and they're close! But they don't compare to the HD transfers of everything else.

Neither will a "cheap rerun" version of DS9 or Voyager in upscaled "HD".
No, it would have to be a cheap project, avoiding recompiling the various elements, but should still be up to four steps up in quality from the home DVD reproduction :

1. Use uncompressed original recordings.
2. Use the very best original source material - I assume that the DVD's were probably produced from low but not 1st Generation copies.
3. Use high end industry upscaling as opposed to consumer grade tech.
4. Digital 'tweaking' of colour, sharpness etc. could be done. It may not actually improve the quality of reproduction, but it can APPEAR to improve it.

You wouldn't get TNG level upgrades, but it should be a substantial improvement on the DVD's and be worth putting on Bluray...
 
No, it would have to be a cheap project, avoiding recompiling the various elements, but should still be up to four steps up in quality from the home DVD reproduction :

1. Use uncompressed original recordings.
2. Use the very best original source material - I assume that the DVD's were probably produced from low but not 1st Generation copies.
3. Use high end industry upscaling as opposed to consumer grade tech.
4. Digital 'tweaking' of colour, sharpness etc. could be done. It may not actually improve the quality of reproduction, but it can APPEAR to improve it.

You wouldn't get TNG level upgrades, but it should be a substantial improvement on the DVD's and be worth putting on Bluray...

If I remember correctly, they examined these options for TNG-R and decided the quality just wouldn't be a large enough jump and showed elements from the attempt and they looked like ass. It's either on The Next Level disc or Season One set.
 
If it makes you feel better, the data caps on mobile contracts in the UK are utterly ridiculous.

I have unlimited everything for £10 per month. Shop around !

Wow, that's like C$19 for unlimited everything! :eek: I don't have a smart phone myself, but a family member pays C$50 per month for a 500MB plan... plus all the extra fees they pile up on top of that.
 
If it makes you feel better, the data caps on mobile contracts in the UK are utterly ridiculous.

I have unlimited everything for £10 per month. Shop around !

Wow, that's like C$19 for unlimited everything! :eek: I don't have a smart phone myself, but a family member pays C$50 per month for a 500MB plan... plus all the extra fees they pile up on top of that.

You guys in Canada seem to have it a bit rough where internet is concerned.
 
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