Looks like DS9 will not get Blu Ray

[Relayer1]

I might pick up the complete UK box anyway and get US versions of the cut episodes then. I'll check Memory Alpha.

Edit : From a (very) brief search, it appears that those two episodes are the only cuts by the BBFC to any of the Trek shows.

Having checked Amazon America, weren't DS9 episodes ever released on DVD apart from as full season boxsets ? I only want the "To The Death" and "Sons And Daughters" episodes.

Does anywhere else do the uncut versions ?

 

[ichab]

I don't have a problem with my DS9 DVDs and they play well in my PS3.

And I'm fine with DS9 being on DVD. Personally I can tell no different in quality between a blue ray and a DVD.

For TOS I bought the season sets on blu-ray because I never owned them before. I must say the remastered picture , sound and new effects REALLY added something special to that show. It looked miles better than what I had ever seen on T.V and I'm glad I made that purchase.

Between the DVD and Blu-ray of TNG there is a noticeable difference in clarity but that's pretty much it. I bought some of the episode releases and enjoyed them but didn't think the difference was enough to rebuy every season. That could have been a reason that sales were not what CBS had hoped. Or maybe the sterile and lifeless atmosphere that pervaded TNG didn't lend itself well enough for HD.

DS9 is my favorite and yet I still don't think I would rebuy them if they ever came out on Blu-Ray.I own them already on DVD and they look pretty good on my HD TV and PS3. Even by today's standards the show's special effects look good so there is really no need to add anything. I just can't see any reason for me to buy this whole show again.

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

 

[Kilrahi]

I don't have a problem with my DS9 DVDs and they play well in my PS3.

And I'm fine with DS9 being on DVD. Personally I can tell no different in quality between a blue ray and a DVD.

For TOS I bought the season sets on blu-ray because I never owned them before. I must say the remastered picture , sound and new effects REALLY added something special to that show. It looked miles better than what I had ever seen on T.V and I'm glad I made that purchase.

Between the DVD and Blu-ray of TNG there is a noticeable difference in clarity but that's pretty much it. I bought some of the episode releases and enjoyed them but didn't think the difference was enough to rebuy every season. That could have been a reason that sales were not what CBS had hoped. Or maybe the sterile and lifeless atmosphere that pervaded TNG didn't lend itself well enough for HD.

DS9 is my favorite and yet I still don't think I would rebuy them if they ever came out on Blu-Ray.I own them already on DVD and they look pretty good on my HD TV and PS3. Even by today's standards the show's special effects look good so there is really no need to add anything. I just can't see any reason for me to buy this whole show again.

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

Well, that's a VERY depressing view but you seem to be in the majority.

I bought all of TNG in blu and to me, there's a HUGE difference.

I was totally ready and stoked to begin buying DS9 in blu .... Bummer.

 

[Lance]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

As much as I *personally* don't like it, I have to say this is the truth. I think the adoption of streaming services by the mass public, which was always predicted to supplant home media sooner or later, has happened a lot quicker than even anyone within the industry could have predicted. Everyone was still kind of working on a model whereupon there'd be a few more years where both systems are viable, but everything I've seen and read seems to suggest that streaming and subscription services have been taken up by a sizable demographic already.

( The selling of new TV sets with this kind of stuff built-in as standard has no doubt made a big difference as well. )

 

[kkt]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

It's true that it is less of a reason to buy the discs, but there should still be some demand for HD. I think as time goes on a lot of people will either pay a bit extra to Netflix to watch them in HD, or refuse to watch standard definition at all.

 

[BillJ]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

It's true that it is less of a reason to buy the discs, but there should still be some demand for HD. I think as time goes on a lot of people will either pay a bit extra to Netflix to watch them in HD, or refuse to watch standard definition at all.

I'm not so sure. FXX pays a billion-dollars for The Simpsons' repeats and the first fifteen seasons are in SD and there's no indication that they will ever be upgraded. Lots of shows out there that aren't being upgraded yet continue to sell in syndication and streaming.

 

[kkt]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

It's true that it is less of a reason to buy the discs, but there should still be some demand for HD. I think as time goes on a lot of people will either pay a bit extra to Netflix to watch them in HD, or refuse to watch standard definition at all.

I'm not so sure. FXX pays a billion-dollars for The Simpsons' repeats and the first fifteen seasons are in SD and there's no indication that they will ever be upgraded. Lots of shows out there that aren't being upgraded yet continue to sell in syndication and streaming.

Sure, but that's The Simpsons. Special effects are not a reason anyone watches it.

 

[Lance]

^ Star Trek: The Next Generation itself is currently screening here in Australia on one of our HD channels, but the broadcaster hasn't bothered buying new HD copies for broadcast. Presumably because using the old SD transfers is cheaper.

So it isn't like its a hard and fast rule that HD television stations are all going to rush out there to buy the broadcast rights to new HD remasters if they are suddenly made available.

And if TV stations won't even stump up the readies to get HD copies of TNG, then the relatively less popular DS9 and VOY wouldn't have a chance in hell of selling.

That's the bottom line, really. It's a numbers game. And clearly, CBS has got data that tell them the numbers just don't add up.

 

[Avro Arrow]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

How is that viable, though? Don't you have internet data caps where you're from?

I'll admit, I haven't used Netflix (the Canadian version is supposedly subpar compared to the US version) but wouldn't you run across times when there's network congestion and your video pauses and stutters? That'd drive me crazy.

And just personally, my TV isn't hooked up to the internet, but I know that isn't true for everyone. I guess I just prefer the convenience of popping a disc in, and away you go...

 

[BeatleJWOL]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

How is that viable, though? Don't you have internet data caps where you're from?

I'll admit, I haven't used Netflix (the Canadian version is supposedly subpar compared to the US version) but wouldn't you run across times when there's network congestion and your video pauses and stutters? That'd drive me crazy.

The content providers aren't bothered by that point. If the death of physical media is a thing, the rhetoric will be "well if you want the content, you'll pay to get it whatever it takes" and then everybody gets a cut.

 

[USS KG5]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

How is that viable, though? Don't you have internet data caps where you're from?

I'll admit, I haven't used Netflix (the Canadian version is supposedly subpar compared to the US version) but wouldn't you run across times when there's network congestion and your video pauses and stutters? That'd drive me crazy.

And just personally, my TV isn't hooked up to the internet, but I know that isn't true for everyone. I guess I just prefer the convenience of popping a disc in, and away you go...

I can only speak for the UK, but respectively...

1. We don't have data caps on mid-market internet packages.
2. Netflix's streaming algorithms are very clever, outages and poor quality are rare. I think they actually cheat a little and will cut out before they risk stuttering.

There are lots of potential cons with streaming, but it is a really cool way to watch films and TV.

It isn't exclusive either, I watched "Non-Stop" at the weekend on Amazon Prime, which I would not have purchased, but I also purchased "Interstellar", one need not replace the other.

I personally think physical media's days are numbered (though possibly a large number) but there will be lots of people uncomfortable with the idea of the end of the "its yours to own" principle that dates back to VHS.

 

[SPCTRE]

Don't you have internet data caps where you're from?

I'll admit, I haven't used Netflix (the Canadian version is supposedly subpar compared to the US version) but wouldn't you run across times when there's network congestion and your video pauses and stutters? That'd drive me crazy.

1. No.

2. No.

DISCLAIMER: I'm in Germany.

 

[Lance]

I personally think physical media's days are numbered (though possibly a large number) but there will be lots of people uncomfortable with the idea of the end of the "its yours to own" principle that dates back to VHS.

I've gotten into 'passionate debates' with a young whippersnapper or two over my fuddy-duddy love for having the artwork proudly adorning my shelf in neat chronological order. The other party are usually completely baffled by that, and are much more inclined to say to me, "We can still watch the shows whenever we like, so why would we choose a physical disc over streaming?". I can't really answer that.

I do think the speed to which the market have adopted streaming wholeheartedly has taken even the industry by surprise. Which is why CBS were genuinely shocked by TNG-R's low sales figures. I reckon a lot of companies had strategies in place working on the assumption that physical media and streaming would still co-exist for a period yet, and have been caught on the back foot by the way people are already taking streaming on board as Entertainment Option #1.

 

[Squiggy]

You also have to remember that with services like Netflix there really are less reasons to buy shows anymore. All five series are available there if you have the urge to watch them.

It's true that it is less of a reason to buy the discs, but there should still be some demand for HD. I think as time goes on a lot of people will either pay a bit extra to Netflix to watch them in HD, or refuse to watch standard definition at all.

I'm not so sure. FXX pays a billion-dollars for The Simpsons' repeats and the first fifteen seasons are in SD and there's no indication that they will ever be upgraded. Lots of shows out there that aren't being upgraded yet continue to sell in syndication and streaming.

Those first 15 seasons did get a digital remastering. You can really tell the difference between SD and not-technically-HD-but-might-as-well-be version airing now.

It's hella easier to remaster cartoons than anything we're talking here.

FXX also paid that much for the streaming rights to the series.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I do remember hearing words to that effect related to, um, the "adult video industry", whereupon certain performers were concerned that HD video would show ungainly scars from where their implants had gone in, and that kind of thing, which were apparently less obvious to viewers in standard definition video.

I hope no one has told them how much detail is seen on all these photos taken of them with these SLR cameras.

Or on MFT (Micro Four Thirds) ones.

 

[dub]

^ Star Trek: The Next Generation itself is currently screening here in Australia on one of our HD channels, but the broadcaster hasn't bothered buying new HD copies for broadcast. Presumably because using the old SD transfers is cheaper.

Yeah, and then the question is when they are choosing to air the show? Could be they need a cheap show for a time slot that has low viewership, and since TNG SD is presumably cheaper now with the HD version available, they probably might go for a quality show in SD over a crappy show in HD. I know I would.

 

[Squiggy]

^ Star Trek: The Next Generation itself is currently screening here in Australia on one of our HD channels, but the broadcaster hasn't bothered buying new HD copies for broadcast. Presumably because using the old SD transfers is cheaper.

Yeah, and then the question is when they are choosing to air the show? Could be they need a cheap show for a time slot that has low viewership, and since TNG SD is presumably cheaper now with the HD version available, they probably might go for a quality show in SD over a crappy show in HD. I know I would.

There might be legal reasons.

 

[BillJ]

Those first 15 seasons did get a digital remastering. You can really tell the difference between SD and not-technically-HD-but-might-as-well-be version airing now.

Looks about the same as my DVD's, except for the cropping they did to fit it on 16:9 screens.

Though I'm sure CBS would be tripping all over themselves to remaster DS9 if someone gives them a billion dollars for the rights to broadcast it.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

^Or if there's a change of company heads at CBS (and the successor to the current head of the company is the guy that the head of the CW that wants to do a Star Trek show.

 

[Squiggy]

Not if it isn't profitable.