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Spoilers Loki season one discussion thread

For the first 10 minutes or so i couldn't stop laughing - the contrast beween Loki's absolute confusion ( and no one from the TVA picking up on it or caring about it) vs. the "another day at the office" TVA office workers was just so brilliant.
Yes! That was hysterical. Cultural shock in the most unexpected way! :lol:

So it's another Loki variant causing havoc - knowing Marvel this won't be the final answer and there'll be much more to it ( personal guess is that the Timekeepers are fishy somehow based on how slavishly the TVA reveres and follows them).
I've had that suspicion since learning about them in the trailers and they weren't around at all (again, I haven't read the comics with the TVA, so I'm learning about them here and now).

For a second I thought they might show Agent Coulson alive again as a bit of a F U to Loki.
Speaking of which, I meant to mention this in my review but when Mobius mentioned Coulson's death, I really wanted him to say "Actually he's not dead" and then provide no explanation to a shocked Loki. That would be a great reference to Agents of SHIELD without trying to explain how the show fits in with continuity.

I suspect by the end of this series there won't be a TVA anymore (or it will never have been?) And thus the larger multiverse is again unleashed.
That would be an interesting twist and would certainly explain why the multiverse has become, ahem, mad in Doctor Strange's sequel.

On the other hand, I really like the idea of the TVA partially because, as I mentioned in the overall Marvel thread, it reminds me of the Commission in The Umbrella Academy (even though I know the TVA was created in the comics first). I think it's a fascinating concept so I would like to se more of them in the future beyond this series.

Of course how the divergent timeline multiverse relates to the multiverse non-tangential multiverse already featured in the first Doctor Strange movie is still a bit of a question. Parallel vs. perpendicular perhaps? As in the branching timelines having a 4th dimensional causality in common (and THAT's what the TVA is minding), whereas places like the Dark Dimension and the Mirror Dimension are entirely separate, unrelated universes amidst the infinite infinities of the cosmic foam.
I imagine some of those questions will be explored in this series, although maybe not the Dark Dimension and Mirror Dimension.

Why is the picture so dark?
I thought maybe that was just me or my TV or the fact I watched it during a bout on insomnia in the middle of the night.
I didn't have any issues with it being dark. But then I never had any issues with the Game of Thrones episodes people complained about being too dark. I guess the answer is watch on the computer like I do? :shrug:

The Time Keepers are the real villains. They say they are protecting the sacred timeline but that is just the marketing brochure. The reality is that the Time Keepers won the early multiverse war by dominating all the other timelines by force and creating the TVA to enforce their will on the entire multiverse. They don't believe individuals have a right to free will. They believe the timeline should only be what they say it should be. So, the Time Keepers now use the TVA to prune any timelines that they don't like, that might threaten their dominance, because they only want a timeline where they rule supreme. Loki and Mobius will eventually realize this and team up to take down the Time Keepers. By the end of the series, the TVA will be erased which will lead to every nexus event sprouting into an alternate timeline, creating a huge multiverse. This will lead into the Dr Strange movie, "The Multiverse Madness" because the new multiverse will be out of control, ie madness.
Yup, all of that makes sense, especially considering how Loki kept questioning how the TVA knows what's suppose to happen and what's not (which would also address the Endgame shenanigans and how they "knew" it would play out okay). But like I said to Reverend, I really like the idea of the TVA and want to see more of them.

Oh BTW, for those that didn't get the D.B. Cooper reference; the bit where Loki hijacks a plane and parachutes out with the cash is a real thing that actually happened.
You know where I first learned about D.B. Cooper? NewsRadio of all places! Stephen Root's Jimmy James was suspected of being D.B. Cooper on several occasions and I had no idea that meant until I was able to look it up (this was in the early pre-Wiki Internet days!).
 
They used to show The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper with Treat Williams often on HBO back in the day but it's become one of those mediocre films that has been left behind over the years.
 
Speaking of which, I meant to mention this in my review but when Mobius mentioned Coulson's death, I really wanted him to say "Actually he's not dead" and then provide no explanation to a shocked Loki. That would be a great reference to Agents of SHIELD without trying to explain how the show fits in with continuity.

"Do a lot of people not know they're robots?"
 
But Coulson is dead. Technically if they exist outside of time everyone is both alive and dead at all times.
 
As for larger plot about a variant causing havoc to the timeline, I'm skeptical of Mobius' claim about another version of Loki. While, of course, it sounds like something a Loki would do, it is curious how the final scene goes out of its way not to show the hooded figure's face. Maybe it is Loki but there's something different about this variant, or maybe it's someone else entirely and Mobius is lying for some reason. Or maybe it was just for dramatic effect (but I will be disappointed if that turns out to be the case).
I was wondering about that too. It seems weird they would tell us outright that it was another Loki, but then not actually his/their face at the end there. It definitely feels like there is something more going on there that they don't want to reveal yet. Either it's not Loki at all, or it's a different variant, like Lady Loki, or Kid Loki.
This definitely got the show off to a great start.
It took a lot deeper dive into Loki's character than I was expecting, and Tom Hiddleston really did a great job here.
I've been a fan of Owen Wilson for a while now, and so far I'm really liking him as Mobius.
I'm curious if we're going to be getting more of Gugu Mbatha-Raw, she's listed right up at the top of the credits with Tom Hiddleston, but she was only in the one brief scene this week. According to Wikipedia she's playing Ravonna Renslayer, who in the comics in is a love interest of Kang the Conquerer, who we already know is the villain of Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania. I'm assuming that's not a coincidence.
IGN also pointed another potential Kang reference and even a possible appearance by Kang himself. The weapon the Minutemen find is from the 31st Century, which is the same era Kang is from, and some people think that the Time Keeper in the middle in the Miss Minutes video is Kang.
So that's one definite Kang reference, a possible second, and maybe even an appearance by the man himself in this episode.
 
The Time Keepers are the real villains. They say they are protecting the sacred timeline but that is just the marketing brochure. The reality is that the Time Keepers won the early multiverse war by dominating all the other timelines by force and creating the TVA to enforce their will on the entire multiverse. They don't believe individuals have a right to free will. They believe the timeline should only be what they say it should be. So, the Time Keepers now use the TVA to prune any timelines that they don't like, that might threaten their dominance, because they only want a timeline where they rule supreme. Loki and Mobius will eventually realize this and team up to take down the Time Keepers. By the end of the series, the TVA will be erased which will lead to every nexus event sprouting into an alternate timeline, creating a huge multiverse. This will lead into the Dr Strange movie, "The Multiverse Madness" because the new multiverse will be out of control, ie madness.
I think you may have the correct take here. And really who better to champion free will than trickster Loki (if not always with the best of intentions)?
 
They used to show The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper with Treat Williams often on HBO back in the day but it's become one of those mediocre films that has been left behind over the years.
The character was also referenced in Prison Break and IIRC one of the popular fan theories about Mad Men during its run was that Don would end up being DB Cooper
 
Anyone else think the Stewardess from the DB Cooper flight will show up again at some point?
 
Apparently I missed the dialogue where they said they were hunting another Loki.
It was the last spoken line before they flashed back to the team arriving in 1858.

All in all, I think it was a good start. Loved the 1974 vibe of everything at the TVA.
 
Anyone else think the Stewardess from the DB Cooper flight will show up again at some point?
Quite possibly. I figure that moment has to play a role later for some reason. Why else actually go the lengths of showing that moment? Sure it was a fun aside, but everything else from that film reel was stock footage from the films.
 
The weapon the Minutemen find is from the 31st Century, which is the same era Kang is from...

The "Third millennium" would be the 2000s, not the 3000s just like how the "20th century" was the 1900s.
 
It was the last spoken line before they flashed back to the team arriving in 1858.

All in all, I think it was a good start. Loved the 1974 vibe of everything at the TVA.
Journeyman also did one as well. Another time travel show. I think he brought the money back but it's no good because people would be suspicious if you started using decade old dollar bills.
 
Journeyman also did one as well. Another time travel show. I think he brought the money back but it's no good because people would be suspicious if you started using decade old dollar bills.

The Secret Service tracks counterfeit currency, which means they track time travelers, which means Lincoln was killed by a time traveler, which happened on Journey Man.

Not the Lincoln stuff, but the Secret Service was tracking journeyman's future cash for decades.

I was wondering how bitcoin works with time travel?

I assume that there's a clock in the code, so future bitcoin and past bitcoin would look weird in the present, but what's the difference from travelling to the future with bitcoin, and leaving bitcoin on a batman thumbdrive for ten years?
 
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