Spoilers Logan - Grading & Discussion

[kitik]

Spoiler: Plot

and also why Logan was dying. I know he said something about being poisoned by the adamantium.

Spoiler: what was wrong with him

As he stated, his healing factor wasn't working so well anymore. And as you'll recall, the healing factor is what allowed them to put the adamantium into his body. (The idea being that putting metal throughout any normal persons body would kill them.)

So with his healing factor not working so well anymore, the adamantium was starting to damage/weaken/poison/eventually kill him.

 

[Commander Richard]

A very enjoyable film. I was thinking "No Country for Old Men" but any gunslinger western fits the bill. Loved seeing the seedy underbelly of the south west.

I also liked how the movie dealt with old age and care for the elderly. It was relevant to me because I'm going through exactly what Logan is going through, same set-up and all, right down to a getaway in a car.

As for Logan's poisoning... For a while, I was led to believe that his mutant powers were wearing off but the movie made it seem like just having adamantium in his system was catching up with him and his powers simply couldn't fend off the metal anymore.

Other random points, that whole sequence of the slow mo Vegas hotel part was excellent...

I believe that was Oklahoma City.

And as soon as that family took them in I was like "right, they're all gonna die soon enough then"

I didn't see that coming. Very tragic. I figured that the revers might show up but I didn't expect the family to die.

 

[Set Harth]

It isn't a what if storyline, it takes place probably around 2 decades after DoFP ending.

Only 6 years later, in fact, if the DOFP ending was supposed to be in 2023. But this film ignores something about that ending, so...

For a while, I was led to believe that his mutant powers were wearing off but the movie made it seem like just having adamantium in his system was catching up with him and his powers simply couldn't fend off the metal anymore.

But those would be the same thing. His healing factor would have to be weakening for some reason in order to not be able to "fend off the metal" anymore.

 

[Ethros]

Only 6 years later, in fact, if the DOFP ending was supposed to be in 2023. But this film ignores something about that ending, so...

What does it ignore?

 

[Set Harth]

That there were some kids ( presumably mutants ) in the mansion at the end.

 

[Ethros]

Yeah I thought that too. What did Logan say again, there haven't been any new mutants for... 15 years was it? Something like that. I guess if this five or so years after DOFP, and then they were maybe 10 years old... it's possible. But then it's not like there wouldn't be any mutants left in the world of 'Logan'

That's what I meant about the "What If" thing. Why would all the mutants be nearly gone? In Children of Men no one has been born in 18 years, and yes technically humans are dying out, but there's still plenty of people about! And it wasn't like there were only ever meant to be a handful of mutants around the world; in the Cerebro scenes in all the movies mutants are basically everywhere.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Spoiler: what was wrong with him

As he stated, his healing factor wasn't working so well anymore. And as you'll recall, the healing factor is what allowed them to put the adamantium into his body. (The idea being that putting metal throughout any normal persons body would kill them.)

So with his healing factor not working so well anymore, the adamantium was starting to damage/weaken/poison/eventually kill him.

Spoiler: more detail

One of the reports Logan flicks through is about Adamantium causing cancer. I suspect after 40ish years it progressed to the point where his healing factor couldn't compensate.

Another thing worth mentioning, Hugh Jackman's portrayal of someone in a great deal of chronic physical pain was spot on.

 

[Trekker4747]

Spoiler: what was wrong with him

As he stated, his healing factor wasn't working so well anymore. And as you'll recall, the healing factor is what allowed them to put the adamantium into his body. (The idea being that putting metal throughout any normal persons body would kill them.)

So with his healing factor not working so well anymore, the adamantium was starting to damage/weaken/poison/eventually kill him.

I believe in the comics it's suggested that his healing factor was never at its A-game as it was always trying to rid his body of the adamantium which it, obviously, couldn't do. (This combined with the whole Adamantium Beta thing, his skeleton being made of a bone/adamantium combination so that the biological properties (as well as something for his tissue to adhere to) of bone were still possible.) So it could be that the same thing is happening hear and after a few decades his healing factor was just largely "burned out" from trying so hard to rid itself of the adamantium for the last 40-50 years. Like humans it's possible their abilities weaken with age (like any other body system) and for Wolverine at this point being almost 200 and his body overworking trying to rid itself of a foreign substances for several decades it's all taken a toll.

 

[kitik]

Only 6 years later, in fact, if the DOFP ending was supposed to be in 2023. But this film ignores something about that ending, so...

They may have answered the "what happened to this timeline" question in the pre-movie stinger. I believe the phonebooth said "Nathan Christopher Summers is coming". So maybe we can just blame him for effing with all the X-Men timelines.

Although my big question about that scene is the music. How did they get the rights to use that music? That blew me away. (That was the Superman music, right? Or did I just imagine that it was?)

 

[F. King Daniel]

Here in England, we didn't get the Deadpool 2 pre-teaser

 

[Trekker4747]

Yes, it was the John Williams Superman Theme. How did they get the rights to it? They paid for them. That theme has been used other times, notably it's been used in "Seinfeld" a couple of times.) WB, or whomever owns the rights to the theme, probably didn't give them up too cheaply, but if someone paid enough they'd let them use it.

The Deadpool Pre-Credits scene (?) was awesome, by the way. Loved it.

 

[kitik]

By the way, for people (like me) who've been avoiding Logan news for the past few days before seeing the movie, some news broke two days ago that director James Mangold tweeted about: he says they're working on a B&W version of the film.

It probably won't ever be seen in theaters, but something to look forward to for a future home video release.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Anyone else remember how many Superman references there were in the 2002 Spider-Man film? They even did the shirt thing.

 

[Phily B]

Only 6 years later, in fact, if the DOFP ending was supposed to be in 2023. But this film ignores something about that ending, so... .

Are you sure about that? I thought he woke up around our time. X3 hadn't happened and the characters we saw, Jean/Cyclops/Xavier hadn't seemed to have aged.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Anyone else remember how many Superman references there were in the 2002 Spider-Man film? They even did the shirt thing.

The first two Raimi films were heavily inspired by the first two Superman movies. There are a number of parallels you can find. Even losing his powers and trying to live a civilian life, with the woman he loves.

As for Logan, another name for this movie would've been "Gush" the film. Haha

 

[Set Harth]

X3 hadn't happened

Presumably in the sense that the timeline had been changed, not because it was supposed to be before the time that X3 happened. I'm not sure why time travel of the sort depicted in the film, originating in the Sentinel future and going back to 1973, would lead to him waking up in our time anyway.

 

[Commander Richard]

I was surprised thatthe family didn't recognize Logan and Charles. They were Wolverine and Professor X. Any plausible reason they wouldn't be recognized?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I was surprised thatthe family didn't recognize Logan and Charles. They were Wolverine and Professor X. Any plausible reason they wouldn't be recognized?

Seems in Logan's world, Wolverine in particular was known for his comic book incarnation, with bright yellow costume and mask.

Spoiler: the end

One of the kids is holding a comic book Wolverine doll over the grave at the end.

 

[Commander Richard]

^ But certainly, they'd appear in the news with Wolverine in his real outfit and both of their faces would be seen.

Okay, I'm willing to backpedal just a bit on Logan being recognized since he had a scruffy beard, a different hairstyle and looked older (I even thought that X-24 was Liev Schreiber at first and then realized that he was a clone of Logan) but what about Charles?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I have a (stupid) question. Bear in mind that the first two X-Men films are the only ones I've ever seen.

Does the Wolverine that Jackman has been playing, keep faithful to the origin established for the character (i.e. his roots as James Howlett in 19th-century Canada) in the comics?