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Location of Federation HQ post The Burn

I'd enjoy it. Especially if all the cast had a turn reading.

I'd love to have the gaps filled in. Easter eggs are all well and good, but they just aren't filling. And leave me hungry for more cohesion.
Well, to be fair, I'd watch the hell out of a Short Trek that would be nothing but a moderately inebriated Tilly narrating everything she's learned about the last 930 years, Drunk History style, but I have a feeling that would only appeal to a very small niche audience.
 
This is actually pretty realistic given the state of the galaxy and it would be weird to be getting all these info dumps, from people who have had little contact from outside their own solar systems for nearly a hundred years.
Exactly. I get that we as fans want to know more but Discovery's crew isn't going to be asking these questions and it is not the story that is being told.
 
The Borg are Picard's to deal with. The Borg's story is not Discovery's to tell. Deep down, you know this too. I don't know what Picard will do, but I think it should have the space to tell its story without us already knowing how it ultimately turns out in DSC.

Everything about the state of the galaxy in the 32nd century and what happened in the last 900 years is STD's business now. This is one fictional universe, you can't delegate worldbuilding to a different show.
You can't hand-wave the Borg, a major power in the galaxy, away in the 32nd century only because STP had a Borg subplot. Voyager got an update about the Dominion and the war.

But besides the Borg and the Dominion.

After five episodes, the only thing we know about the political state of the galaxy is that the Federation is diminished.
No updated about Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians/Gorn/Tholians. Saru doesn't inquire the Admiral about for a status update.
From conversations, I guess we are supposed to infer that crime syndicates are now a huge problem in the galaxy now?
 
Everything about the state of the galaxy in the 32nd century and what happened in the last 900 years is STD's business now. This is one fictional universe, you can't delegate worldbuilding to a different show.
You can't hand-wave the Borg, a major power in the galaxy, away in the 32nd century only because STP had a Borg subplot. Voyager got an update about the Dominion and the war.

But besides the Borg and the Dominion.

After five episodes, the only thing we know about the political state of the galaxy is that the Federation is diminished.
No updated about Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians/Gorn/Tholians. Saru doesn't inquire the Admiral about for a status update.
From conversations, I guess we are supposed to infer that crime syndicates are now a huge problem in the galaxy now?

We'll find out what happened to the Borg and the Dominion if and when it ever becomes relevant to the story. And you can 100% handwave away the Borg by saying the Federation finally defeated them a few centuries ago. As for the others the only one the Crew should probably be enquiring about is the Klingons. Little was known in 2258 about the Romulans, tholians and Gorn and the crew haven't even heard of Cardassians, so the crew shouldn't really care about any of them. Also the crew have more pressing matters, like learning 32nd century technology and whatever new starfleet protocols are in place.

Personally I don't need or want all the answers now. I like the mystery of the 32nd century and the slow reveal and hints of what the galaxy is like.
 
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We'll find out what happened to the Borg and the Dominion if and when it ever becomes relevant to the story. And you can 100% handwave away the Borg by saying the Federation finally defeated them a few centuries ago. As for the others the only one the Crew should probably be enquiring about is the Klingons. Little was known in 2258 about the Romulans, tholians and Gorn and the crew haven't even heard of Cardassians, so the crew shouldn't really care about any of them. Also the crew have more pressing matters, like learning 32nd century technology and whatever new starfleet protocols are in place.

Personally I don't need or want all the answers now. I like the mystery of the 32nd century and the slow reveal and hints of what the galaxy is like.

Exactly. Bringing up past issues should only be done if it's relevant to the current story. The last thing I want is a episode jam packed with unnecessary shoehorned references to the past.
 
...This "Why didn't the Borg move in?" would be a non-issue to begin with. They hadn't "moved in" in the 23rd century. Or in the 15th. Or in the minus 234th. It's not an issue of who's opposing them (after all, resistance is futile). It's an issue of them not being in the "moving in" business to begin with.

The Borg are already everywhere, just Bigfoot-style invisible. They always have been, for the past hundred thousand years of so if Q and Guinan put together are to be trusted.

The Dominion is a different matter. They're mayflies, at most 10,000 years old in the ENT/TOS/TNG era. They might have tried to expand; may have succeeded; may have been beaten back; may have dug in and are now bigger than ever. They aren't here at the moment, wherever "here" is, but it's a big galaxy.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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Also, bear in mind that we don't have a full grasp of the political situation of the 32nd Century yet.

This is one of the many frustrating aspects of STD.

Okay, so, I think the best comparison for this is to look at the premiere seasons of earlier shows.

Episode 5 of TOS was "The Man Trap." By this point in TOS, neither the Klingons nor the Romulans had been introduced or mentioned; neither had the United Federation of Planets (the Enterprise was referred to as a United Earth starship before they retconned the UFP into being the Enterprise's state).

Episode 5 of TNG was "The Last Outpost." This was the first episode to feature the Ferengi. By this point in TNG, the Klingons had not been reintroduced except for Worf; the Romulans had not been reintroduced; the Cardassians were not even created until Season 4; the Bajorans had not been introduced; Guinan had not yet been created; and the Borg had not been introduced.

Episode 5 of DS9 was "Babel." DS9 did have a more clearly-defined political situation than the others by necessity, but large portions of the situation still had not been established -- the existence of the Cardassian dissident movement had not been established; Garak had only just been introduced and his full background not yet established; the full extent of Cardassian atrocities on Bajor had not yet been established; the existence of a Bajoran nationalist movement had not yet been established; the relationship between the Klingons and Cardassians had not yet been established; the relatively close proximity of Ferenginar had not yet been established, nor the existence of the Grand Nagus, the Ferengi Commerce Authority, nor the characters of Zek, Ishka, or Brunt; the Maquis had not yet been established; the Dominion had not yet been introduced; Winn Adami had not yet been introduced, nor Damar, Weyoun, Kassidy Yates, Bill Ross, Michael Eddington, or the Female Shapeshifter.

Episode 5 of ENT was "Unexpected." By this point in ENT, the Andorians had not yet been reintroduced, nor the Tellarites, nor the Romulans; the internal conflict on Vulcan between Syrannites and Vulcan imperialist forces led by V'Las had not yet been established; the Xindi had not been introduced, nor the Sphere Builders; "Crewman Daniels" had not been introduced; the conflict between Vulcan and Andor had not yet been established, nor the full extent of Vulcan's neo-imperialist role; the Tandarans had not been introduced, nor the role of non-Cabal Suliban.

Simply put, we have never fully understood the political situation of a prior series by Episode 5.

This season has 13 episodes. We are 4 episodes in and after the biggest status quo change in the history of Star Trek, nobody in the show is talking about the current state of the galaxy besides "Starfleet/Federation is gone".

Because the fall and restoration of the Federation is the story. DIS has more narrative focus than prior stories; we'll learn about the rest of the political situation in the 32nd Century either if it is appropriate to the story being told, or we'll learn about it next season if the narrative focus shifts away from the Federation and its (former) territories.

Who are the major powers in the A/B quadrant? Who filled the power vacuum after the Fed was gone?

So far, I would say "That Hope Is You, Part I" and "Far From Home" seem to imply that there are no major powers and no one has filled the power vacuum. Local space appears to have no great powers. I would compare it to Europe after the Roman withdrawal but before the rise of Charlemagne.

Are there new superpowers or are warlords/pirates/crime syndicates/courier organizations in charge?

I would say the first four episodes strongly imply that the more-developed planets like Earth and Trill essentially only control either their immediate orbital space or their home star systems, and that the rest of interstellar space is divided by petty warlords.
 
Everything about the state of the galaxy in the 32nd century and what happened in the last 900 years is STD's business now. This is one fictional universe, you can't delegate worldbuilding to a different show.
You can't hand-wave the Borg, a major power in the galaxy, away in the 32nd century only because STP had a Borg subplot. Voyager got an update about the Dominion and the war.

But besides the Borg and the Dominion.

After five episodes, the only thing we know about the political state of the galaxy is that the Federation is diminished.
No updated about Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians/Gorn/Tholians. Saru doesn't inquire the Admiral about for a status update.
From conversations, I guess we are supposed to infer that crime syndicates are now a huge problem in the galaxy now?
It's not relevant to the story to know the full state. It may become relevant as the season progresses. No one is handwaving away anything. They are exploring the story they want to tell and will not infodump on the audience just because it happened in the last 900 years. That's an absurd expectation and would only slow the story down.

I would say let the story play out. And I would also say we will not get every question answered, which is how Trek has always been, as @Sci notes.
 
...This "Why didn't the Borg move in?" would be a non-issue to begin with. They hadn't "moved in" in the 23rd century. Or in the 15th. Or in the minus 234th. It's not an issue of who's opposing them (after all, resistance is futile). It's an issue of them not being in the "moving in" business to begin with.

The Borg are already everywhere, just Bigfoot-style invisible. They always have been, for the past hundred thousand years of so if Q and Guinan put together are to be trusted.

The Dominion is a different matter. They're mayflies, at most 10,000 years old in the ENT/TOS/TNG era. They might have tried to expand; may have succeeded; may have been beaten back; may have dug in and are now bigger than ever. They aren't here at the moment, wherever "here" is, but it's a big galaxy.

Timo Saloniemi

The Borg are really really hard to handle with what Voyager did to them in Endgame, I'm not just talking about the severe damage they caused, but the fact they came across as completely and utterly incompetent, how the fuck can they come up with all these scooby doo villain ideas to assimilate Earth when they have a magical wormhole to the doorstep?! I doubt they will feature anytime soon and if they do, they need to reboot them and that the Queen stuff is just removed entirely somehow, they're back to being a terrifying, monolithic machine with no real leader or individuals amongst them.

I imagine The Burn would mean that they're not as concerned about Alpha Quadrant technologies and species as they used to be, they've been around for thousands of years at this point and their "territory" wasn't particularly close to the AQ, not sure why. If they were gonna introduce The Borg into Discovery, then it'd be because they're interested in something like the spore drive.
 
A cloaked bubble of space in the middle of nowhere!

Kronos would have been better.

Or Ferenginar.

Or Angel One.

Or pretty much anything that meant something.
 
A cloaked bubble of space in the middle of nowhere!

Kronos would have been better.

Or Ferenginar.

Or Angel One.

Or pretty much anything that meant something.
I think the point is the Fed HQ may be mobile so they can move at any time. None of those established planets would work in that case.
 
I think it would make more sense for the UFP to follow the Franz Josef model of keeping Starfleet Headquarters and the Federation government on a well-defended deep-space starbase or a small fleet of powerfully-armed starships. Keep the "government" (such as it is) light and mobile on a chaotic galaxy.

Once the Federation is re-established, I think it would make more sense to put the Federation capital on a planet that doesn't belong to any existing Member States. Plump it down on a world without any existing colonies or claims on it, relatively central to the Member States, and create a purpose-built city for the government and its employees. Let the employees themselves vote via whatever Member State they claim permanent residency in so that you don't end up with the Washington DC problem of capital residents lacking representation. Maybe eventually admit the capital world as a separate Member State if its population grows large enough.
 
Since the latest Episode mentioned the USS Cuyahoga picking up traces of the Emerald Chain at Sigma Draconis, which is a star system 16 light years from earth, I would assume that star fleet HQ is some where near where the core of the Federation used to be, since the overall range of travel seems to be more limited in this era.
 
I think the point is the Fed HQ may be mobile so they can move at any time. None of those established planets would work in that case.

Not to get all technical, but whole star systems are in a continuous state of motion. SOL moves at a speed of 200 km per second (720,000 km/h).
This is admittedly not very fast compared to say Impulse Drive (which allows speeds of at least 74 000 km per second), but realistically, Senna Tal had coordinates to Starfleet HQ from 12 years ago. That means that SF stayed at that location for over a decade.

Picking an unknown planet, star system or some other remote location while staying in a mobile HQ would have worked just as well.
:D

If you have coordinates to a certain location within the galaxy, you'd need to know to compensate for stellar drift in the process (which might explain why both Burnham and Discovery emerged far away from Terralysium - estimating stellar drift for 930 years into the future could be problematic due to a plethora of anomalies in Trek Milky Way galaxy or a whole other set of things - and its more than enough time for another star system to move into those coordinates - so the coordinates were correct, its just that the setting has changed due to stellar drift...and probably because of changes in the timeline - remember that this is NOT the same future in which Control destroyed all life, which could have affected location of stellar bodies in the galaxy too as a result of Control's influence).
 
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Not to get all technical, but whole star systems are in a continuous state of motion. SOL moves at a speed of 200 km per second (720,000 km/h).
This is admittedly not very fast compared to say Impulse Drive (which allows speeds of at least 74 000 km per second), but realistically, Senna Tal had coordinates to Starfleet HQ from 12 years ago. That means that SF stayed at that location for over a decade.

Picking an unknown planet, star system or some other remote location while staying in a mobile HQ would have worked just as well.
:D

If you have coordinates to a certain location within the galaxy, you'd need to know to compensate for stellar drift in the process (which might explain why Discovery emerged far away from Terralysium - estimating stellar drift for 930 years into the future could be problematic due to a plethora of anomalies in Trek Milky Way galaxy or a whole other set of things).
You do your research, I'm impressed.
 
I didn't spot a derelict Cardassian station floating around in all that nonsense, nor any mention of the Denorios Belt, Bajor, or that Wormhole, so I guess there's no evidence that they're the ultimate evolution of Deep Space 9. Yet.
 
I didn't spot a derelict Cardassian station floating around in all that nonsense, nor any mention of the Denorios Belt, Bajor, or that Wormhole, so I guess there's no evidence that they're the ultimate evolution of Deep Space 9. Yet.
Starbase Yorktown from the Kelvin timeline 900 years ago looked more impressive than 32nd century Federation Headquarters. No wonder the Borg lost interest in assimilating them. :borg:

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Starbase Yorktown from the Kelvin timeline 900 years ago looked more impressive than 32nd century Federation Headquarters. No wonder the Borg lost interest in assimilating them. :borg:

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Yup, I know.
Don't get me wrong, the Federation HQ looked nice, but definitely NOT 32nd century style (and that flying rain forest looked a bit tacked on).
I posited before that the Federation HQ would have been cool if it was located in a Starfleet constructed Dyson Sphere (or Dyson Swarm) or a 32nd century style Yorktown starbase with millions/billions of people living there.

Heck a single Dyson Sphere would be able to house all of the Federation inside it with massive room to spare. :D
 
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