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News Live-Action ‘Cowboy Bebop’ tv series in the works

CorporalClegg said:
Pineda was the only cast member I was unfamiliar with.

But I like her already.:techman:
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“First, I wanted to apologize to the fans that I did not anatomically match the Faye Valentine character,” she said. “Six foot, double-D sized breasts, two-inch waist. You know, they looked everywhere for that woman and they couldn’t find her, it was kinda weird. So they just went with my short ass, I know, am I right?"

I like her too. :lol: But still I think that is something wrong. The actor's job should be, well, acting. Not managing man-babies who can't distinguish their nerd erotic fantasies from reality. And I don't see her male colleagues having to explain creative decisions to people convinced that anime can be faithfully reproduced in really life.
 
Skipper said:
The actor's job should be, well, acting. Not managing man-babies who can't distinguish their nerd erotic fantasies from reality. And I don't see her male colleagues having to explain creative decisions to people convinced that anime can be faithfully reproduced in really life.
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Yeah. The problem these days is that the Internet has allowed every whiny, juvenile bully an equal forum with competent, qualified commentators, and the news media have still never learned that that does not make them equally worthy of attention and amplification. Reporters should just ignore idiocy like this, but instead they latch onto it and pretend it's an actual story because the 24-hour instant-news cycle demands content even when it's meaningless. And so actors are forced to acknowledge and respond to juvenile idiocy that would once have been intercepted and thrown in the trash by their assistants or publicists, or by the magazine editors who selected which reader letters were worthy of publication. (And the consequences in politics and public health have been far worse, but that's beyond the purview of this thread.)
 
Christopher said:
Yeah. The problem these days is that the Internet has allowed every whiny, juvenile bully an equal forum with competent, qualified commentators, and the news media have still never learned that that does not make them equally worthy of attention and amplification. Reporters should just ignore idiocy like this, but instead they latch onto it and pretend it's an actual story because the 24-hour instant-news cycle demands content even when it's meaningless. And so actors are forced to acknowledge and respond to juvenile idiocy that would once have been intercepted and thrown in the trash by their assistants or publicists, or by the magazine editors who selected which reader letters were worthy of publication. (And the consequences in politics and public health have been far worse, but that's beyond the purview of this thread.)
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Yep. And, while Pineda's answer was fantastic, but what would have happened if a less witty or attentive person answered? That in this imaginary "war" with the "fans" the latter would have "won"? That the producers should have hurried to reshoot scenes with Valentine by dressing her only in duct tape and shrinking her waist with CGI?

I'm kidding of course, but given what happened with Zack Snyder's Justice League I'm a bit scared for the future ...
 
Skipper said:
Yep. And, while Pineda's answer was fantastic, but what would have happened if a less witty or attentive person answered?
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Nothing. It's all just noise, irrelevant to the actual production of the show and probably irrelevant to most people's decisions whether to watch the show. Like I said, it's just our broken, filter-less media culture amplifying a bunch of meaningless nonsense. And it'll all blow over and be forgotten when the next shiny object distracts us.

Think of it like sports fans booing the umpire. Will that affect the decisions the coaches or managers make about how to play the game? Of course not. It's irrelevant.


Skipper said:
I'm kidding of course, but given what happened with Zack Snyder's Justice League I'm a bit scared for the future ...
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That didn't happen because of fan protests, no matter how much the protestors want to flatter themselves that it did. It happened because the pandemic shut down most new production just at the time when Warner Bros. was hungry for new content to attract subscribers to HBO Max. The Snyder Cut was footage they mostly already had sitting around, so it was convenient to use, and convenient to exploit the fan buzz around the project.
 
John Cho Says He Took His 'Cowboy Bebop' Role 'Deadly Seriously,' Tore His ACL on Set

If you were curious as to just how seriously John Cho took his role as Spike Spiegel in Netflix's live-action adaptation of the beloved anime Cowboy Bebop, it seems we have our answer -- “deadly serious." Yep, in a new interview with Vulture, Cho detailed how he put his blood, sweat, and tears – literally – into the production, a dedication that ultimately culminated in both an ultra-hyped series and a “freak” injury resulting in a torn ACL, an occurrence he says his streaming overlord “originally didn’t want to publicize.”

“We had been shooting all night, and I was doing kind of an athletic move as the sun was coming up,” he recalled of the incident, one he describes as “real wonky." “It was probably a lack of sleep. Just a little move and [I was down]. So that was a low moment.” After arriving to an ER full of injured Friday night party animals at 5:30 a.m. on a Saturday morning, which Cho says was “ironically a sobering experience,” the healing process – complete with surgery and physical therapy – began.
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The Fans do have "some" say, as in theyre the audience, and if you don't have an audience, there is no money to be made. However, there is a limit. Example, the Klingon Hair, there was an uproar of it, the 2nd season they got there hair back.
Now this Faye thing, Should it be listened to? Not really, but do pay attention to how its going. Shrugging off morons, but pay attention if its getting mainstream.
 
valkyrie013 said:
The Fans do have "some" say, as in theyre the audience, and if you don't have an audience, there is no money to be made.
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There is a huge difference between basing your decisions on feedback from others and actually ceding control to others. Listening to other people's opinions is not an obligation to follow them.


However, there is a limit. Example, the Klingon Hair, there was an uproar of it, the 2nd season they got there hair back.
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We don't know if that's because of fan feedback. There were a lot of staff changes, after all. It could be that the season 2 producers just wanted to bring the hair back. Even if it was influenced by feedback, they wouldn't have done it if they didn't agree with the feedback. It was still their decision, not the viewers'.


Now this Faye thing, Should it be listened to? Not really, but do pay attention to how its going. Shrugging off morons, but pay attention if its getting mainstream.
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No. It is arrogant to think that professionals are under any obligation to let amateurs make their decisions for them. Expertise matters. I don't want my doctor to consult me about how to treat an illness or my jet pilot to ask me what buttons to push. I trust them to know their job better than I do. That's the whole point of being professionals. The way they satisfy me is not by asking my opinions at every stage, but by making the decisions that they know, based on their training and experience, will turn out well for me. What I think I want might actually be the wrong way to get what I want, and they know that better than I do. You don't have to be a moron to be less knowledgeable than a trained professional.
 
captainkirk said:
From what I've heard, the final sonic design is basically what the director had wanted originally, and the one seen in the first trailer was one that the studio forced them to pick. So that's less fans having their way than it is the director's vision being restored.
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Ah. That makes so much more sense. It's not that the fans' will overrode the creators', it's that the creator used the fans' reaction as leverage to win an argument with the studio. It wouldn't have happened if someone in charge hadn't wanted it to.

I've often found that when people talk about "the fans" vs. the creators in things like this, they tend to overlook that the creators are often fans themselves, and so the "fan-friendly" stuff that gets done is there because the creators wanted it anyway, not because they let the audience dictate to them. Or, conversely, the stuff that the fans object to isn't done because the creators aren't fans, but because they're creators first and understand that sometimes the fannish impulse is the wrong creative choice.
 
@Christopher
Nope.
Fans do have a say. For an example, look at early screenings. How many a movie has been redone, or the 3rd act redone because of early screening viewers saying, It doesn't make sense, its bad, etc.
Look at Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, they poo poo'd Last Jedi and the stuido done an about face and done some generic hash job for #3.

I'm not talking about what you mentioned like Airline Pilots, in that example, a closer thing would be a director having a bench of fans overlooking what he is doing and yelling at him to change it. That doesn't happen.
What usually happens is that people are hired, scripts made, and its filmed, by as you said profesionals. Thats all fine and dandy. Then it is presented to the people, Early screenings for example, changes are made based on input, or not, then it is released. It either does good or not based on if people like it. Now if its a one off, o well, its made, move on. If its a part of the series, then studios will look at what was unpopular, and strive to make a better next movie.
Simple thing of, you need an audience to make Money$$.

Another example, Movie X based off of Book X is coming soon! Fans of the book are excited. A synopsis comes out of what the story is going to be and who is being cast. Now this is where the peoples input come in. The fans can be happy, there following the book, casting good people, etc. Or Fans can be mad, There not following the book, the cast is crap. The studio at this point can make changes based off of the Fans input, Now if said fan input is just a bunch of basement dwelling twitter users, then they don't care and move on. If its more mainstream of alot of fans are mad, then changes may be made. The ENTIRE Reason for a studio to make a movie based on some other thing like a book is that there is already and audience Built IN, so there risk is less because those people "Should" pay to see it. If the studio makes to many changes from the book, the fans of the books Are Not going to see it.

Case in point, Ghost is the Shell. Yay a live action being made! Boo it has a white actress lead, Mega Boo there not really following the manga/anime story, Super Mega Boo at the first Trailer, Movie bombs.
 
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