Little Bit of Guinan Growth?

[Kobayshi Maru]

I actually think Sela's grudge is more fundamentally against the whole of Starfleet, but with some emphasis on her mother who she now looks at as traitorous. Hell, she's clearly aware of who Picard is, through her mom's recounts & general Romulan intelligence. I bet Sela even suspects some kind of conspiracy from Picard & Tasha, to alter their past & perhaps subvert the Romulan Empire. If you look at it from her perspective, it can seem pretty underhanded, that they'd send someone from the future to alter events relating to a Romulan engagement

I guess this was TNG's own Temporal Cold War.

You know, I hadn't thought about it like that, but yeah. I'm surprised that with the information Sela knows, the Romulans haven't gone off on their own temporal warfare track. Tasha coming into the past can clearly be considered an attempt to gain temporal advantage

She's such an ingrate! If Picard hadn't sent her mother back in time, she wouldn't even have been born. She owes him her very existence. Trying to hurt Picard and the whole federation makes about as much sense as trying to hurt herself.

 

[Mojochi]

^ Why, because a child can't question or reject their parent's actions? From her perspective, it's likely Tasha came into the past to alter history & damage or destroy the Romulan Empire (We know that's not the case, but she doesn't) That would be an explanation of why Sela might've grown to reject her mother & follow suit by despising Picard/Starfleet

What Guinan & Picard did vis-à-vis Tasha may have been benevolent, but it was still a bad idea, & adversaries might see much more bad in it than was actually intended

If more children questioned their parents' actions & even rejected them when appropriate, humanity would have less Kim Jong-uns

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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If more children questioned their parents' actions & even rejected them when appropriate, humanity would have less Kim Jong-uns

Most of them do. In fact most teenagers think their parents are stupid. Sometimes they get over it when they get older , sometimes they keep thinking that until the day they die.

 

[Mojochi]

...................... Sooooo then it's not unusual for Sela to reject her mother, Based on what she's figured, it even makes sense

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I liked Guinan. I think what made her useful as a narrative device was that she was the only person on Enterprise Picard could truly interact with as an equal. Everybody else was under his command, Guinan was a civilian who served drinks and could leave whenever she wanted.

Anybody would be spooked if they found out that they were in an alternate timeline and in the real timeline everything was better except for the small detail that they were dead.

Plus she had some wonderful moments like stabbing Q with a fork.

 

[Mojochi]

I liked Guinan. I think what made her useful as a narrative device was that she was the only person on Enterprise Picard could truly interact with as an equal. Everybody else was under his command, Guinan was a civilian who served drinks and could leave whenever she wanted.

That really was her only saving grace. It became necessary to have an objective counsel for Picard, & it was clear Troi couldn't be it

You know, it's within the realm of possibility for a 1st officer to be that kind of counsel for a captain. A pity that in all its years, Trek never managed to use an XO that way. Riker just wasn't the sort

 

[Ghrakh]

Plus she had some wonderful moments like stabbing Q with a fork.

Also scenes where she gets various characters thinking about something, setting things into motion. Quite integral to the plots, they weren't all just random interludes. Certainly had Picard's trust, but also others as well. But not perfect either. Pretty memorable for a character that basically had minimal screen time and was just a bartender.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I heard that the producers thought that Whoopi was too big for the role. She's the one who insisted to do it because she was such a great admirer of star trek.

 

[Orphalesion]

^ Then they should have written a different recurring role for her, some sort of more benevolent foil for Q, a "space Galadriel" if you will. She kind of was that, only that she cleaned glasses and was never focused upon.

 

[MikeS]

I think the character of Guinan peaked too soon. Her best scene's were in Measure of a Man and Q, who?.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I would have liked to see a scene where Guinan went to Riker and Troi and said "You do realize, you're doing crew evaluations in a very public area and everybody is overhearing you."

I liked Guinan in Time's Arrow too, particularly when Riker was begging her to tell him what happened and she was refusing.

 

[Mojochi]

I would have liked to see a scene where Guinan went to Riker and Troi and said "You do realize, you're doing crew evaluations in a very public area and everybody is overhearing you."

I'd have like it if someone finally got around to telling Worf that Guinan was likely making sport of him, in that prune juice is generally considered the drink of bowel movements for the constipated

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I would have liked to see a scene where Guinan went to Riker and Troi and said "You do realize, you're doing crew evaluations in a very public area and everybody is overhearing you."

I'd have like it if someone finally got around to telling Worf that Guinan was likely making sport of him, in that prune juice is generally considered the drink of bowel movements for the constipated

It's funny, all the fuss they make around Worf drinking prune juice. They even talk about it several times on Ds9.