Lindelof On Eve Scene (minor spoilers, hysteria, hyperbole)

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What I mean is a lot of women enjoy looking at beautiful women.

But yes, give us some dicks.

You didn't like seeing Theon and Hodor's privates?

Not really. Theon is a creepy schmuck and Hodor is intellectually disabled so it seems quite exploitative.

Kirk and Spock now..

 

[Amaris]

What I mean is a lot of women enjoy looking at beautiful women.

But yes, give us some dicks.

This sounds very fair.

You want a dick in a box to be delivered to your home?

If you're asking me whether I want Justin Timberlake to come to my home, the answer is "yes."

 

[Dream]

Kirk and Spock now..

The producers will put in a Kirk and Spock decon deleted scene on the dvds if STID makes 1 billion worldwide.

If you're asking me whether I want Justin Timberlake to come to my home, the answer is "yes."

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg[/yt]

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Nah they don't have to do that.. the movie was FULL of slashy slashy moments. My imagination works just fine. Also, tighty whities.

 

[Amaris]

Kirk and Spock now..

The producers will put in a Kirk and Spock decon deleted scene on the dvds if STID makes 1 billion worldwide.

If you're asking me whether I want Justin Timberlake to come to my home, the answer is "yes."

Nah they don't have to do that.. the movie was FULL of slashy slashy moments. My imagination works just fine. Also, tighty whities.

My imagination was working overtime in this movie. I'm serious. I didn't really feel it so much in the first film, but this one? I was half expecting one or the other to just pull the other one close and there be this great make-out session. The slashiness was palpable.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh it palped all right..

I am SO looking fwd to all the slashy youtube extravaganzas this movie is going to generate. I was quite at how blatant it was, it was LOVELY.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yeah, it went there.

 

[Pauln6]

I've watched this show several times over. It's an undeniable fact that we see 10 women naked for every man. It's not even arguable, women are devalued in that show. There's a reason for it, even if it does go overboard. I'm not arguing against it, because I like the show how it is, but I'm just stating the completely true fact about male vs women nudity in that show. I'm not going to post videos or pictures, because that's obviously not allowed, but they are there if you want to see. Huffington post even has an article containing a compilation video of every nude scene combined. Prosthetics or not, you see something.

The divide in gender roles is justifiable because the show is set in a quasi-medieval setting and in an expressly patriarchal society. Many of the women are extremely vulnerable in many ways, which explains why the few that are in power work very hard to maintain that position within their own circle. The exceptions are flagged as exceptions - such as the touching scene between Ned and Arya where he maps out her future as a wife and mother of lords and she says thanks but no thanks but without any touch of rancour. She's too young to realise her gender is seriously going to hamper her life choices.

Despite the gender divide, the show features a lot of women in significant roles - perhaps even more than Star Trek has overall, although definitely far more than we have in the current movie franchise. It is a bit disheartening that women who have no chance of marrying well view prostitution as the most viable career choice though. Some of the nudity is necessary to show just how vulnerable these women are but some is entirely unnessecary - like when Theon asks to see Ros's down below when she is leaving for the capital. She flashes her skirt but we can all imagine what is under there - like the Sharon Stone scene there really is no need to flash us the real thing - lol. However, the two recurring prostitutes are shown as being highly intelligent women who may yet surprise us in what they might achieve. It's an intriguing dynamic.

 

[flemm]

Does gratuitous have to be synonymous with offensive?

I don't think so. Though I'm all for equal opportunity, so next time, perhaps Pine and/or Cumberbatch could be in their underwear at some point as well?

Ultimately, part of the fun of this type of heightened reality is the sex appeal factor. I'm more concerned with the female characters having interesting things to do, and being interesting, than the movie *not* exploiting the fact that they are gorgeous.

And why assume that male audiences want to see so few women?

Agreed, I never really got this. Why assume I only want to watch a bunch of dudes?

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

People do realize that this scene lasted a whole 2 seconds, right? Out of a 2 hour film filled with violence? The people who SHOULD be complaining are the women watching this film filled with hunks and we get nothing in return

I sure wouldn't have minded this: [image pic]

Oh, I did complain up thread about that. There definitely wasn't any real balance going on there. I mean, if they are handing out gratuitous shots, then why not a lean Quinto? Cumberbatch has fans, and so I don't think a shot of him undressing would have unwelcome for those that are interested.

Frankly I don't think there would be this mini-uproar if they had done that. It's the oddity of Alice Eve just standing there, not in her bedroom, not in a sexual scene, just standing there getting ready to go disarm torpedoes. Now it's true that she looked very hot and probably disarmed quite a few male torpedoes and there are probably guys watching it thinking "she can disarm my torpedo any day!".. and that's all lovely and stuff but the setting of her standing there was a contextless and very silly bit of T & A. It's the very definition of gratuitous and it is made MORE gratuitous by it being just her and not just one of whole lot of "hey Trek people in their underwear" scenes.

Though I thought the decon scene in ENT was gratuitous I think it became less so when you see just how much underwear scenes for both sexes that show has.. lots. It becomes a normal thing to have people in their underwear on screen.

The one thing that saved the Alice Eve scene for me (and I was not offended, just embarrassed for the movie being so lame) was that it works very well at showing Kirk's attraction to someone we know was very important in the prime timeline to him. And that was rather sweet.

Yeah, even if she had actually been changing into the other outfit since she was out of her Starfleet blues would have looked... realistic? I could see her going for Kirk, but I think she'd be better with McCoy. I just have a feeling that Kirk is still sowing his wild oats and McCoy would be interested in something permanent. I could be wrong, though. One thing I learned from the last movie going into this movie is not to have expectations.

That would be fine and all if it weren’t called “writing” and “acting.” The scene was consciously constructed by professional writers. It was then acted out as instructed and edited accordingly. That is all.

In that case, it comes down to taste.

Um, have you read this thread or even the article that is the first post? Other people feel the same or at least a similar way.

Yes, I have. I understand that a number of people, aside from yourself, are rather offended. I'm not ignoring those who are offended (or at least want a good reason as to why).

Read my posts. Once again, it’s not the fact that she’s in a bra and panties. It’s how the scene played out. And yes, Mr. Lindelof should have apologized. After watching that movie, I think they should all apologize, but that’s a topic for another thread.

Eh, while I understand you're offended, I can't quite get the apologizing thing to stick. Now, something like "I should have presented both of them equally," that would be okay. Bob the Skutter, in another thread, mentioned something like that as an idea.

Now you just make no sense and sound emotional. I have nothing against you J.Allen, so I’m going to walk away from having this discussion with you before things get out of hand. You may have the last word if you like. Good day.

That's not emotional, that's my being a smartass.

However, that said, I would like to jump off of my high horse, for a minute, and offer you an apology. I'm being a "bit of a knob," as it was told to me in another thread, and that person's evaluation is absolutely correct. I can be stubborn; too stubborn, and sometimes my mouth gets in the way of my brain, so I do apologize for being a bit of a knob.

I will say this, though; when I want to be a smartass, I tend to use my whole ass.

Thank you, J.Allen. Apology accepted. Nothing's wrong with having firm beliefs. I can appreciate that, and I do.

 

[Belz...]

I've watched this show several times over. It's an undeniable fact that we see 10 women naked for every man. It's not even arguable, women are devalued in that show. There's a reason for it, even if it does go overboard.

And yet my intention to see that show just went way down, now.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

What I mean is a lot of women enjoy looking at beautiful women.

But yes, give us some dicks.

I love this series. It's the only series I've watched that so far hasn't fallen off at all to me. That being said, yeah, they could show off the men more. It definitely wouldn't hurt. But really, I think it's good because for all of the nudity it has, the story always takes center stage and it makes sense. That helps a lot.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What I mean is a lot of women enjoy looking at beautiful women.

But yes, give us some dicks.

I love this series. It's the only series I've watched that so far hasn't fallen off at all to me. That being said, yeah, they could show off the men more. It definitely wouldn't hurt. But really, I think it's good because for all of the nudity it has, the story always takes center stage and it makes sense. That helps a lot.

I watch it for two things..

1. The fantastic casting and visuals which I'm sure many who have read the books as I have are wowed by.

2. TYRION LANNISTER who is unbelievably hot. And really, the only hot man there.

Otherwise it's plenty offensive, gratuitous, soft pornish and icky all of which makes talking about Alice Eve in her underwear very very silly.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Well, it's Tyrion Lannister, but Lancaster is close. I see what you're saying, but a lot of it at least seems to serve the story somehow. Like, in the last episode Melisandre seduces Gendry. She explains to Stannis why she's doing this over using him by force. You can't say they don't try. Although, when they show Danaery's breasts, that seemed gratuitous. I'm not sure if it's better or worse than STID, but probably better because at least she was taking a bath.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

But she was in the bath. People's breasts are always showing when they are in the bath.

Except for Janeway, but that's because Q was there too and they didn't want to overly stimulate him.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Yeah, but the camera could have been from the neck up while on her or shown her from a back angle while he's in full view. But like you said, breasts always show in a bath (well, Brienne's didn't, but that wasn't a regular bath). That's why I think GoT did it better that STID. Their nudity/partial nudity has more plausible reasons.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Because.. BREASTS?!

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

No, because she let him enter her tent while she was bathing, which seems to imply that she wants him. But yes, your reason of just breasts fits too. At least it's not posing breasts, lol.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

She let him enter her tent and revealed her body to him by standing up in the bath and getting dressed by her servant to show that she is so in control he cannot intimidate her even when she is naked.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

I don't know why nakedness would lead to intimidation. Shame I could understand if she was brought up in a modest culture, but was she?