Lindelof On Eve Scene (minor spoilers, hysteria, hyperbole)

[sj4iy]

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Well, people can be offended by whatever offends them. Being offended doesn't automatically assign responsibility to others.

Eve isn't "ripped" by any stretch of the imagination; she looks to have a healthy percentage of body fat for a woman her age. Some people are heavier, some are thinner. My son looks like a scarecrow no matter how much he eats - I was kind of like that in my twenties, and at my age now I rather miss it.

She's got some nice abs on her...I used to have those when I worked out XD But now, after two kids and some health issues, I'm thin but out of shape. Maybe one day

I find it odd that some of the people who get upset by this 2 second scene also think that the undressing scene in Aliens was completely necessary and adds to the movie (this is actually true). Apparently, they didn't feel (like I did) that it was a tired horror movie cliché that people overlook because it was a great movie. Really, I'm not offended by either scene (they are movies, after all), but I don't see how people can justify one but not the other.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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She's got some nice abs on her...

She has a little definition but she's not lean, underweight or ripped in any respect. This is ripped:

http://www.npcsouthernstates.com/images/guest_posers/2013/Guest2013_Erin_Stern.jpg

 

[sj4iy]

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She's got some nice abs on her...

She has a little definition but she's not lean, underweight or ripped in any respect. This is ripped:

http://www.npcsouthernstates.com/images/guest_posers/2013/Guest2013_Erin_Stern.jpg

Yeah, that's overboard. In order to look like Alice Eve does in that picture, I had to weight lift 2 days a week and run 3 days a week. I'm not complaining- at least she looks healthy and not skin and bones. I'm not cool when a woman clearly looks starved.

 

[Agent Richard07]

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I was more disturbed by her screaming across the bridge like a little girly girl when her daddy beamed her away.

Best beaming sequence ever. I loved it.

 

[sj4iy]

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I was more disturbed by her screaming across the bridge like a little girly girl when her daddy beamed her away.

Best beaming sequence ever. I loved it.

I loved the look on Kirk's face immediately after when Marcus charges him with treason. It was the perfect "Oh, shit" look.

 

[HaventGotALife]

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This isn't about physical health in these media images. For instance, Barbie, if a person, would be sterile, wouldn't be able to walk on two legs, and anorexic. It's also proven that those that play with Barbies will become aware of their own bodies as unattractive.

That's just insane. Women have been playing with barbies for generations.

Study: Barbie lowers girls self-esteem

A psychology experiment was done in the U.K. in 2006 by psychology professors Helga Dittmar from the University of Sussex, Suzanne Ive from the University of Sussex, and Emma Halliwell of the University of the West of England. Their findings from their experiment have been published in the text book titled Developmental Psychology 2006, Vol. 42, No.2, pg. 283-292. Their study is also a part of the American Psychological Association her in the U.S. There experiment is called “Does Barbie Make Girls Want to Be Thin? The Effect of Experimental Exposure to Images of Dolls on the Body Image of 5- to 8-Year-Old Girls.” In their experiment “a total of 162 girls, from ages 5 to age 8, were exposed to images of either Barbie Dolls, Emme dolls (U.S. size 16), or no dolls (baseline control) and then completed assessments of body image” (283). The professors discovered that those exposed to Barbie doll images produced “lower self-esteem and a greater desire for a thinner body shape than in the other exposed conditions.” Although the oldest girls did not have an immediate negative impact from the Barbie doll images. The study concluded that “these findings imply that, even if dolls cease to function as aspirational role models for older girls, early exposure to dolls epitomizing an unrealistically thin body ideal may damage girls’ body image, which would contribute to an increased risk of disordered eating and weight cycling”(283).

Barbie unable to menstruate

Academics from the University of South Australia suggest the likelihood of a woman having Barbie's body shape is one in 100,000. So not impossible, but extremely rare. Researchers at Finland's University Central Hospital in Helsinki say if Barbie were life size she would lack the 17 to 22% body fat required for a woman to menstruate. So again, not an unachievable figure, but certainly not a healthy one.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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I think you need to look up the definition of "proven," kiddo. Citing a psychological study doesn't cut it.

It's hardly shocking to learn that Barbie would be unable to menstruate, given that like almost all commercially children's toy dolls commercially sold in the U.S. Barbie lacks genitalia. I don't want to unduly alarm you but a "real life Barbie" would also unlikely to be able to conceive or bear children, as not only does she lack a uterus and ovaries but Ken, G.I. Joe, Captain Action, Stretch Armstrong and the other male 12 inch action figures on the market don't have dicks either.

 

[HaventGotALife]

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I think you need to look up the definition of "proven," kiddo. Citing a psychological study doesn't cut it.

Much better to deal with someone's life experience. When was the last time you took a chance to site a source?

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

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It was a move bad move on Lindelof's part to make the apology. It puts Alice Eve in an awkward position, especially since she still has a lot of promotional work to do for the film as it rolls out around the world. If Lindelof was to make the comments at all, he should have held off for a while.

 

[Belz...]

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Study: Barbie lowers girls self-esteem

Again, even if that is true, doesn't that make this the responsibility of the parents, not toy-makers ? Or should toy makers now make fatter barbies and beer-belly superheroes ? Should women with nice bodies be allowed to wear bikinis ?

Barbie unable to menstruate

Wow, I so do not care about that.

 

[HaventGotALife]

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Study: Barbie lowers girls self-esteem

Again, even if that is true, doesn't that make this the responsibility of the parents, not toy-makers ? Or should toy makers now make fatter barbies and beer-belly superheroes ? Should women with nice bodies be allowed to wear bikinis ?

People don't have Barbie's measurements, even if they are thin and wearing a bikini. It's the toy manufacturer's job to make sure their product isn't harmful. And if it is proven that it is harmful, why wouldn't they change it? Why would you be so dead-set against changing it? We're not talking about beer-bellies. We are talking about a more realistic, healthy person. Why do I have to go out of my way, as a parent, to correct this image? To say "this is not realistic, don't try to look like Barbie?" All people emulate what they see. And what they see on television, in movies, and on billboards, the internet, is thin, scary-thin people. Does Alice Eve meet that image? She meets the standard of beauty for Hollywood. If we saw some variation from Hollywood, this person is big and sexy, this person is small and sexy, then I wouldn't be so ardent that a scene like this shouldn't be done. As I have said elsewhere, the makers of the movie are not responsible for this culture, but they are feasting on it, perpetuating it. And it's not just this scene. It's showing Uhura stripping (although at least it moves the plot along), Kirk and Gaila, Kirk and the two catwomen, and making it okay to treat women as badly as James T. Kirk does.

Barbie unable to menstruate

Wow, I so do not care about that.

Well, that's what sterile means.

 

[marksound]

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site a source

Cite a source. Just sayin'.

If you have body image issues, I'm sorry to hear it. But projecting your issues doesn't do a damn bit of good.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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When I was a little kid, I got a Superman outfit from Sears for Christmas (and, courtesy of our Careful What You Wish For Dept here's a little safety tip, kids - fastest way to get picked on in an American working class neighborhood in the 50s was probably going outdoors to play in a Superman outfit).

Anyway, the shirt had a little disclaimer silkscreened near the hem - in the days way before everything carried legal disclaimers - that read something like "Remember this costume cannot make you fly. Only Superman can fly."

Seriously. It struck me as dumb at the time. It was a costume; why would it make you able to fly?

http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2007/03/classic-fan-nerd-toy-of-day.html

Since it's not proven that playing with Barbie dolls does children any harm, maybe Mattel could mollify overly anxious parents with some kind of disclaimer tattoo on her notoriously undersized vinyl ass.

 

[HaventGotALife]

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site a source

Cite a source. Just sayin'.

If you have body image issues, I'm sorry to hear it. But projecting your issues doesn't do a damn bit of good.

Thank you. It's best to be clear in writing when making an argument. Thank you for catching my mistake.

As for the edit I didn't see, I don't have any body issues. I'm not even female. As for making an argument, that is attacking the source and not proving the argument is fallacious. Circumstantial ad hominem is the fallacy you are using, if I am not mistaken.

"It's Logic Spock, I thought you'd like that."

 

[Belz...]

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People don't have Barbie's measurements, even if they are thin and wearing a bikini.

People don't have Jack Skellington's figure, either.

It's the toy manufacturer's job to make sure their product isn't harmful.

No, it's their job to make money, and partly their responsability to make sure it isn't harmful. The rest falls onto the parents.

I'm sorry, but I find all this is BS. If a young kid sees a teenager or young woman with a perfect body in a bikini, is that harmful to her ?

And if it is proven that it is harmful, why wouldn't they change it?

If it's proven that it's harmful as a rule or as a significant force of harm, then I agree that it should be something we address.

Why would you be so dead-set against changing it?

I am not in favour of restricting people's freedoms unless there's a damn good reason.

We're not talking about beer-bellies. We are talking about a more realistic, healthy person.

And who gets to decide what's the acceptable range of body shapes ? You ? And what about the variation from one country to the next ? Do American toys have to be fatter because it's more representative, or do we pick an average for all of humanity and ban toys that don't fall into that range ?

Why do I have to go out of my way, as a parent, to correct this image?

Because that happens to be YOUR job.

To say "this is not realistic, don't try to look like Barbie?" All people emulate what they see.

I never tried to look like He-Man or Arnold Schwarzenegger, although it's the kind of stuff I watched a lot as a kid.

I honestly think you don't give kids enough credit. I think they are much, much smarter than you think.

And what they see on television, in movies, and on billboards, the internet, is thin, scary-thin people. Does Alice Eve meet that image? She meets the standard of beauty for Hollywood.

The answer to your question is "no", she doesn't. She's not scary-thin, she's just slim and fit. Healthily so. There are lots of women with that body type.

If we saw some variation from Hollywood, this person is big and sexy, this person is small and sexy, then I wouldn't be so ardent that a scene like this shouldn't be done.

That might have something to do with human nature. People have a definition of what they find sexy, and Hollywood, beast of the Apocalypse that it is, goes with that definition when it wants to present a character that's supposed to be sexy. Imagine that !

 

[sj4iy]

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Just felt I needed to say that dolls have nothing to do with a female's self-esteem, because even if you don't expose your child to barbie dolls, they will still care about their appearance to please other girls as young as elementary school. It's called peer pressure, and whether a girl is thin or fat doesn't matter if she's not accepted by her peers. Things like not wearing the "right" brand of clothes, or not having the newest gadget. It's all about impressing others, and dolls won't figure into it by the time they are in middle school, where the real bullying begins.

Source: Myself growing up and being bullied from age 5 to 17 when I graduated from High School because my parents were divorced. I was thin a pretty young girl.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

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To quote one of Dr. McCoy's famous metaphors, "If you're going to ride in the Kentucky derby, you don't leave your prized stallion in the stable."

Basically...if you're going to have an actress as attractive as Ms. Eve cast in your movie, why not take the opportunity to showcase that attractiveness? Especially if it, IMO, forecasts a future development in character(s) ( i.e. Kirk and Carol eventually shacking up.)

 

[marksound]

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site a source

Cite a source. Just sayin'.

If you have body image issues, I'm sorry to hear it. But projecting your issues doesn't do a damn bit of good.

Thank you. It's best to be clear in writing when making an argument. Thank you for catching my mistake.

As for the edit I didn't see, I don't have any body issues. I'm not even female. As for making an argument, that is attacking the source and not proving the argument is fallacious. Circumstantial ad hominem is the fallacy you are using, if I am not mistaken.

"It's Logic Spock, I thought you'd like that."

If you're not female, why the hell would you want to look like Alice Eve on your wedding night?

 

[BillJ]

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I still don't see what the big deal really is here? It's two seconds of a moderately attractive woman (I don't find Eve quite as hot as most here do) in her underwear.

And I agree with the poster above who said Lindelof put Eve in an unenviable position.

 

[HaventGotALife]

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Cite a source. Just sayin'.

If you have body image issues, I'm sorry to hear it. But projecting your issues doesn't do a damn bit of good.

Thank you. It's best to be clear in writing when making an argument. Thank you for catching my mistake.

As for the edit I didn't see, I don't have any body issues. I'm not even female. As for making an argument, that is attacking the source and not proving the argument is fallacious. Circumstantial ad hominem is the fallacy you are using, if I am not mistaken.

"It's Logic Spock, I thought you'd like that."

If you're not female, why the hell would you want to look like Alice Eve on your wedding night?

I was painting an example.