I don't think they've dropped her Romulan name...we just know her as Rizzo.
That would fit with one of the show's themes: sheer fucking hubris.
Let's speculate on the deep, dark secret
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The simplest prediction is that they have foreseen futures involving the end of organic life at machine hands. Such as the Control future. If so there might be Disco tie ins. Which would be super neat if at the end we see a glimpse of a future predicted by Romulans and then Disco shows up in that prophecised future.
If they aren’t doing an intertwining stories thing I hope it’s a little more than “Yet another machine apocalypse”. Something personal and specific to Data and Soji. A predestination paradox specifically about Soji that has been taken out on all synths.
If they aren’t doing an intertwining stories thing I hope it’s a little more than “Yet another machine apocalypse”. Something personal and specific to Data and Soji. A predestination paradox specifically about Soji that has been taken out on all synths.
Narissa.
Henceforth to be known to me as Narizzo, so I can remember it.
ETA: FWIW, IMDb has her listed as Lieutenant Narissa Rizzo.
sounds reduntant.
Narek! Narizzo! Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!
I watched her scenes in Maps and Legends again, because I was sure that Oh was paging "Narissa Rizzo", but it turns out that both her and Narek only ever referred to her as Lieutenant Rizzo in the episode. No mention of the name 'Narissa' at all. Huh, fickle memory strikes again.
The season finale cliffhanger will be Narek telling her
she's Palpatine's granddaughter and heir to the Sith throne.
We're missing a key piece of the puzzle.
We need a flashback to what occurred on that one particular Romulan Ship, that eventually screwed up the Borg assimilation process.
Something or Someone present there, either managed to avoid being discovered for awhile or was introduced after the fact once the entire ship was overrun.
That one 'thing' set off the apparent horrible chain reaction for the Romulan occupants and it became what everybody "in-the-know" is worried about.
We need a flashback to what occurred on that one particular Romulan Ship, that eventually screwed up the Borg assimilation process.
Something or Someone present there, either managed to avoid being discovered for awhile or was introduced after the fact once the entire ship was overrun.
That one 'thing' set off the apparent horrible chain reaction for the Romulan occupants and it became what everybody "in-the-know" is worried about.
We're missing a key piece of the puzzle.
We need a flashback to what occurred on that one particular Romulan Ship, that eventually screwed up the Borg assimilation process.
Something or Someone present there, either managed to avoid being discovered for awhile or was introduced after the fact once the entire ship was overrun.
That one 'thing' set off the apparent horrible chain reaction for the Romulan occupants and it became what everybody "in-the-know" is worried about.
Given how every episode of this show save the first has opened with a flashback to 14 years prior, I think it's a near certainty we'll see that scene.
It's Narek. He was on that ship. He was assimilated along with the rest. But he is a Locutus without the obvious implants. A synth reprogrammed by the Queen to be a double agent or somesuch.We're missing a key piece of the puzzle.
We need a flashback to what occurred on that one particular Romulan Ship, that eventually screwed up the Borg assimilation process.
Something or Someone present there, either managed to avoid being discovered for awhile or was introduced after the fact once the entire ship was overrun.
That one 'thing' set off the apparent horrible chain reaction for the Romulan occupants and it became what everybody "in-the-know" is worried about.
Um... Yeah. I guess that wasn't too subtle. Embarrassed to say I totally didn't see it at first. I suspect this is correct, and that's the secret that Jurati is hiding.
I wonder if this is going to bring back the Romulan absence discussed in "The Neutral Zone":
TEBOK [on viewscreen]: Captain Picard, because your actions are those of a thoughtful man, I'll you this. Matters more urgent caused our absence...
p.s. the reason why I think it's about Seb-Cheneb is because in the preview at the end of episode 1, we see someone initiating a mind-meld with Jurati. We know from episode 3 that person is Commodore Oh, because when Jurati meets Oh her clothing and necklace match those in the mind-meld scene. This makes Oh a member of the Zhat Vash not Tal Shiar.
Other evidence for her, Narek, and his sister being Zhat Vash is that they're still probing Soji trying to find Maddox's lab, when it has already been destroyed by the Tal Shiar.
But, what is so darn profound/terrifying about Seb-Cheneb that it would bring down the submatrix of the Borg Cube upon them learning about it after assimilating Ramdha?
Well, we know from Hugh’s episode “I, Borg” that La Forge and Data postulated that an unsolvable problem might act like a virus to bring down the Borg, if correct then perhaps this secret might be something equally unsolvable or contradictory?
If it’s connected with Seb-Cheneb, then here’s a possible contradiction: the Borg are interested in assimilating new technology as a way of evolving and improving. But if they learn from Ramdha that this leads to the destruction of everything, then what’s the point of assimilation if Borg became all powerful and destroy everything including themselves?
Existence would be futile.
Other evidence for her, Narek, and his sister being Zhat Vash is that they're still probing Soji trying to find Maddox's lab, when it has already been destroyed by the Tal Shiar.
But, what is so darn profound/terrifying about Seb-Cheneb that it would bring down the submatrix of the Borg Cube upon them learning about it after assimilating Ramdha?
Well, we know from Hugh’s episode “I, Borg” that La Forge and Data postulated that an unsolvable problem might act like a virus to bring down the Borg, if correct then perhaps this secret might be something equally unsolvable or contradictory?
If it’s connected with Seb-Cheneb, then here’s a possible contradiction: the Borg are interested in assimilating new technology as a way of evolving and improving. But if they learn from Ramdha that this leads to the destruction of everything, then what’s the point of assimilation if Borg became all powerful and destroy everything including themselves?
Existence would be futile.
p.p.s. Note: Jurati killed Maddox because he knows how to create Dahj & Soji. That she is also implicated in their creation troubles her deeply, because of the Seb-Cheneb myth given to her by Commodore Oh. Is it Soji's assimilation by the Borg that brings destruction to the universe?
You make some interesting points here. It really seems based upon the limited information Maddox told us that his own personal role in the whole thing was very small. He was personally using Dahj/Soji to try and figure out what was going on. It's implied, though not necessarily explicitly said, that they are the only two - that there aren't a bunch of others out there. Yet Narek and Narissa were talking about a "nest" of them as of yet undiscovered. Which seems to suggest that whatever they believe to be the doom of the Romulans is actually wherever these other synths, not built by Maddox are.
Basically, Soji is the "key" that unlocks a door, but she's not herself the same thing as whatever is behind that door.
Yeah, I was thinking that too. But, Control was eliminated at the end of Discovery. Do you think Section 31 is still secretly working on it or that perhaps it's still in the wild lurking inside someone?
One other thing: Control is able to take over humans (possibly any animal). This makes it a machine brain inside flesh, which is in principle the same as Dahj and Soji, yet not the same when you consider how different they are in programming.
