Let's continue TOS

[STEPhon IT]

Who knows? But it struck me as really going against Star Trek’s, and TOS,’ message of inclusiveness. It also meant Number One, despite having been second-in-command, could never command her own ship, which seems to go against what Roddenberry was implying in “The Cage” from the very beginning.

This essential point, in my opinion, undermined the entire STC episode “Embrace The Winds.” They set up Commander Garrett as a competent officer with something of an edgy side to her, something worth exploring, then rejected her attaining command of a Constitution-class starship simply because the Tellarites wouldn’t allow it.

I found it mind-bogglingly stupid.

I found it mind-bogglingly the producers blew up the ship in question, afraid to give the fan-film an organic conclusion. Work out Vic-Kirk making a decision in the court room, but it stuck too much in connecting the dots where Spock had to remain on the Enterprise for future fan-films where he didn't have to be. In TMP Spock wasn't commissioned on the Enterprise in the beginning, do something with that gap of time. I also thought the Hillary Clinton allegory was too on the nose and gave a big hint of these fan filmmakers political preference, something I never got from TOS.

Pretty much. It would be interesting to know how they handled their storytelling. Speaking strictly for myself I know that with some of their stories I’d have been suggesting they find another way of saying something, suggest alternatives or even suggest dropping something entirely.

To be fair guarding against contemporary slang or technical terminology would be a challenge. Despite us not thinking about it consciously, even though some of us have been around long enough to have lived with the changes, there is a difference between how people speak today and how people spoke fifty years ago. You can see it clearly by watching films and television of the period—language was somewhat more formal then than it is now. It can be a subtle thing, but it is noticeable.

An example of changes in terminology. In TOS they referred to supercomputers or an intelligent computer or a computer so sophisticated it attains consciousness. But nowhere in TOS or even TMP did they ever make reference to A.I. or “artificial intelligence” even though that is exactly the idea they were trying to put across.

No where in TOS did they ever say anything like “a Level One diagnostic.” or “change the phase frequency of our phasers.” And “nanittes” or “nanotechnology” were nowhere to be heard then.

I don't recall in TOS ever establishing Starships had a "WARP CORE" ugh!

 

[johnnybear]

Nothin wrong with pink!

JB

 

[publiusr]

It would have been a wild time!

That’s a new one on me.

 

[Mytran]

That’s a new one on me.

There's also this:

 

[johnnybear]

Klingonese or Klingonei? I've always heard it said as Klingonese but Korax says Klingonei in Trouble With Tribbles, so did Michael Pataki make a fluff or has the word changed over the years?
JB

 

[Phaser Two]

You know, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who routinely begins correspondence with "Have forgotten to bring up the subject of Klingons . . . "

 

[Forbin]

Klingonese or Klingonei? I've always heard it said as Klingonese but Korax says Klingonei in Trouble With Tribbles, so did Michael Pataki make a fluff or has the word changed over the years?
JB

I could swear he said Klingonese. Must watch again to check.

 

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[ZapBrannigan]

I could swear he said Klingonese. Must watch again to check.

The script says Klingonese. The whole script is included in the 1973 book The Trouble with Tribbles.

But the actor said Klingonee in the barroom scene. I think he flubbed the line and they kept going because "it's alien, so who's to say?"

 

[Henoch]

But the actor said Klingonee in the barroom scene. I think he flubbed the line and they kept going because "it's alien, so who's to say?"

Maybe it's a silent "s".

 

[plynch]

I’ve always heard an S. Did I add it unconcsciously?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Klingonese or Klingonei? I've always heard it said as Klingonese but Korax says Klingonei in Trouble With Tribbles, so did Michael Pataki make a fluff or has the word changed over the years?
JB

Klingonei sounds alien to me than some backyard Asian language.

 

[aridas sofia]

It would be interesting to start over, knowing all the things that caused difficulties and inpediments, with a new show completely divorced from Star Trek and Paramount and CBS. Something similarly based on the parallel or alternate Earths idea, visited by a crew in the business of defending and bringing back information to this Earth. Just not always defending Earth, for God’s sake. That trope has gotten so old as to be nearly unwatchable.

 

[Dukhat]

I’ve always heard an S. Did I add it unconcsciously?

He very clearly says 'Klingonee.' Whether that was what was supposed to come out of his mouth, is another story.

 

[plynch]

Mandela Effect. I supplied the s. Psychoacoustics: heard what I thougt I should.

 

[Phaser Two]

Mandela Effect. I supplied the s. Psychoacoustics: heard what I thougt I should.

I have a pretty good ear and I actually still think the "s" is in there, but just barely. I also think there's a sound edit in there, possibly because they wanted a really good evil laugh and they had to stitch the best one of those - which is fantastic in the final cut - with the dialogue, and maybe those involved different takes. The fact that there's a sort of odd and unneeded (and relatively lengthy) camera cut away from the Klingon XO while he delivers all of that dialogue and the laugh supports my theory.

 

[fireproof78]

Mandela Effect. I supplied the s. Psychoacoustics: heard what I thougt I should.

You're not alone. I heard an "s" in there, both in the original episode, and when watching "Trials and Tribble-ations." However, I will put a blame on reading the novelization too.

 

[johnnybear]

Maybe that's just how Klingons pronounce the name of their language? Klingonese... So either a flub on Michael Pataki's part or a sound cut made seconds just too early?
JB