I haven't watched all episodes of The Orville and can't remember seeing this particular scene. What was the name of the episode?
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Nothing like the darkness in most of today's movies and series and not like the sadistic blood-spattering scenes we have to watch today.
Voyager could have benefited from airing 20 years later. 3-4 season with 10-15 episodes each
Shorter seasons mean less wasteful Chakotay episodes. More budget for better VFX, so you they would actually show damage that the ship would accumulate over time, etc.. etc..
The amount of violence/gore isn't dramatically increased over the last 40 years..the special effects have simply improved, but the intent remains the same.
I just don't see it as that dark.
there were Chakotay episodes?
I guess it all depends on the shows someone is watching. I find the '00s to have the darkest content on TV in general. A lot of that, I think, had to do with the mood of the United States after 9/11. Sticking to the sci-fi genre: Picard doesn't even remotely touch Battlestar Galactica when it comes to how dark a series can be.
The scene with Icheb is one scene. One scene doesn't make an entire series.
And a lot of what Picard has was already there because of previous Star Trek. Data died in Nemesis and Brent Spiner wanted Data to stay dead. Then there's Romulus, which was destroyed in the Prime Timeline, as mentioned by Spock Prime in the 2009 film. So you have a destroyed world and a dead friend of Picard's before writing for the series even begins. Those starting points don't exactly strike me as the beginning of a show where "everything's roses!"
The scene with Icheb is one scene. One scene doesn't make an entire series.
And a lot of what Picard has was already there because of previous Star Trek. Data died in Nemesis and Brent Spiner wanted Data to stay dead. Then there's Romulus, which was destroyed in the Prime Timeline, as mentioned by Spock Prime in the 2009 film. So you have a destroyed world and a dead friend of Picard's before writing for the series even begins. Those starting points don't exactly strike me as the beginning of a show where "everything's roses!"
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The Fight says hello... and then gets buried as far down in the memory as possible.
And it's not as though "dark" sci-fi TV shows are a new thing. Remember the original TWILIGHT ZONE and OUTER LIMITS back in the sixties? Has anything on PICARD been as cruel as Burgess Meredith breaking his glasses after World War III? Or as disturbing as, say, "The Architects of Fear" or "Don't Open Til Doomsday" on THE OUTER LIMITS?
One is tempted to mention THE PRISONER as well.
One is tempted to mention THE PRISONER as well.
Can't stand that scene.
tThere's a great scene between Janeway and Chakotay in the ready room (forget the episode title) where Janeway says that she thinks after all the years aboard the ship they're all one crew, only to have Chakotay tell her that the Maquis are still the Maquis.
The writers should of found a way to play on this, while at the same time not being too heavy handed about it.
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That's the one.Oh you mean this one?
Great scene, TV at its greatest!
And I'll pass on it thank you very much. Makes me cry just looking at it.
Considering Chakotay left Starfleet to join the Maquis, he seemed too passive about the whole thing whenever the issue was brought up. I recall some scenes when the issue comes up, it's brushed off with a joke and a smile. The entire Maquis crew had a passive attitude about it.
I could see an intense, all out debate breaking out between the Maquis and the Starfleet crewmen where both sides make good points, use history, say some dumb things, then some smart things. You can even get an outside perspective from Neelix or Seven.
It could been a spontaneous, yet civil debate that didn't get out of control.
But ultimately I think the studio put them back into the 'no conflict rule' again. It was supposed to be this edgy, new age crew in a crazy situation, but it ended up being so standard.
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A Star Trek fan finding out that their franchise isn't really what they always believed can be jarring to watch:
Having the racist Romulan troll literally lose his head is the single most meta thing Star Trek has ever done.
GG Chabon.
GG Chabon.
I think that's the point. Nothing good comes out of a nuclear war.
Of this I am aware.
I still don't like it. Largely because I have worn glasses since 3rd grade and the whole loosing your glasses thing is a huge unreasonable fear of mine and makes me sick to my stomach just seeing that.
Star Trek tells us otherwise. Without the nuclear war, humanity wouldn't start to better themselves.
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