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Less Humor; More Action, Please!

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Compared to both Season 1 and Season 3, Season 2 had several episodes that were intentionally humorous (Trouble With Tribbles, A Piece Of The Action, I, Mudd, etc.).

I can watch these episodes if I really have to, but they’re not my favorite, go-to TOS installments. I prefer more of the serious, action packed shows.

Therein lies the question for debate : Did this addition of humor add or detract from the overall quality of TOS?

Here's where I stand…seeing Kirk talk ‘gangsta’, for example, just made me wonder if too much Saurian Brandy was available in the Crewmens’ Lounge.
 
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Personally I like the comedy episodes but I also like that we didn't get too many of them. The series probably benefitted from Gene Roddenberry's aversion to the show getting too silly as it kept the tone balanced, at least for season 2. Season 3's not completely devoid of joy, there are comedy moments, but it definitely lost something.
 
Personally I like the comedy episodes but I also like that we didn't get too many of them. The series probably benefitted from Gene Roddenberry's aversion to the show getting too silly as it kept the tone balanced, at least for season 2. Season 3's not completely devoid of joy, there are comedy moments, but it definitely lost something.

If memory serves me correctly, GR sent memos out questioning whether some of the episode scripts mentioned in my original post didn’t really reflect the series’ characters that he had created.
 
I think the comedic episodes were partly due to what was going on at the time in television. There was the mid 1960’s Batman craze as well numerous other goofy comedy shows that were popular and the feeling from some writers and Gene Coon seemed to be Star Trek could use some of that. But as we know Roddenberry objected (and essentially I agree with him) as he certainly didn’t want Star Trek to become another Irwin Allen like production particularly like what happened to Lost In Space (started out dramatic and quickly descended into total absurdity).

Tone matters. “A Piece Of The Action” is outlandish and made more so by its comedic tone. But “Patterns Of Force” and “Bread And Circuses” are also out there, but they manage to get a pass because of the more serious treatment.

“The Trouble With Tribbles” still sorta works because it has a comedic bent, but contextually it still works within the TOS universe.

“I, Mudd” grates on my nerves partly because it totally goes into the schtick of depicting androids in a goofy 1930s-1940s serial manner. This is particularly grating after seeing how androids were done in “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” a season earlier and “Requiem For Methuselah” a season later.

I will watch these if doing a series rewatch, but they’re certainly not go-to episodes on my list.
 
I always loved "Tribbles" and "A Piece of the Action." And going by the prevailing winds of pre-Internet fandom— Starlog magazine, Star Trek Giant Poster Book, David Gerrold's non-fiction books, and Star Trek Lives!— I had a lot of company. Those two comedies were always referred to as popular.

Fans of a "cult-classic" genre show love the occasional change of pace episode. Take the three Lost in Space episodes where they time travel back to Earth, or the ep where Don and Dr. Smith face death together and bond over the experience. Or the Xena: Warrior Princess ep where they flash forward to the 1940s, and little Gabrielle is practically Indiana Jones. Or the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "Superstar" that's so out-of-kilter, it gets a whole new opening credits sequence. Or the China Beach episodes where they flash forward to the 1980s, to take one example from that series.

Star Trek would never be allowed to get adventurous with its premise the way Xena, Buffy, and China Beach did, so the TOS comedy episodes kind of stood in for that ability to suprise us and go someplace unfamiliar.
 
“I, Mudd” grates on my nerves partly because it totally goes into the schtick of depicting androids in a goofy 1930s-1940s serial manner. This is particularly grating after seeing how androids were done in “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” a season earlier and “Requiem For Methuselah” a season later.

I don't see a problem with that. Different technology produced these androids, after all. We had good reliable cars and Edsels on the same Earth.
 
Well, let’s ask Captain Kirk what he thinks…

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I like Trek humour, although I do agree that too much of it is tedious. The issue with TOS is that it was so low-budget that at certain points even things that weren't meant to be funny ended out being funny. Like, for example, a good chunk of S3.
TOS' budget was $190,000.00 per episode for season one. That's $1,898,769.52 today
Even season three's $175,000.00 comes out as $1,583,025.86. On par with shows like Bonanza,
 
It’s easy to confuse low budget with something simply being old. Visually, TOS was doing a fair amount of cutting edge stuff in terms of SFX, but yesterday’s cutting edge can’t help but date.

If you wanna know what low budget sixties sci-fi looks like, take a look at Doctor Who from the same period as TOS. The latter is comparatively lavish.

Doctor Who cost about £2000 per episode in the 60s. According to Nerys’s figures above, you could have made an entire Season of Who for the same price as just 1 episode of TOS with a fair amount of cash left over.
 
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There's certainly room in Star Trek for humor. I personally prefer it to come out of the characters. Banter, familiarity, tension relieving comments are part of what makes us what we are and part of what makes the first 3 TOS movies my favorites.

Star Trek always had that. Some episodes have more, some have less.

Gene liked his show to be pretty serious and I respect that. Some of my favorite episodes are 99.9% dead serious. Then two important things happened to make the show lighter; first was Gene Coon's arrival. he had a sharp sense of humor and he brought that to his writing and producing chores. Second was the recording and use of the score to "Shore Leave" (which was fantasy and had a little whimsy but was still pretty serious) and the library cues of Joseph Mullendore. Suddenly the music was light as a feather, accentuating (sometimes overly so) the humor and character bits. Without a single overt full comedy episode, Star Trek got more humorous. A lot of "Tomorrow is Yesterday" is light and the music has a lot to do with it.

The second season gave us show filled with confidence and firing on all thrusters. Characters bantered and joked. But then we still had "The Doomsday Machine" - square in the center of the Coon era - with nary a joke in sight.

As I've said too many times, "The Trouble With Tribbles" works for me because the situation is serious, but the problem is conversely cute, so the characters react to that. 90% of the jokes land and nobody pretends to be a gangster or makes invisible bombs while singing. Everyone stays in character. So, yep, I enjoy it. Although, I'm not the biggest fan of some of the music. Comedy in the 60's was often backed by "funny" music and Star Trek was no exception.

So now we have absurdity to deal with: why do I like "Bread and Circuses" and not "A Piece of the Action?"

The style. B&C is treated seriously and the humor is in the satire targeting the TV industry (probably some of Gene Roddenberry's sharpest comedy). APOTC is a serious situation at its core, but it's an absurd concept, played absurdly and with cutesy music. "I, Mudd" is easily my pick for worst of the comedies because it's over the top, scored poorly and everyone has to act wildly out of character, which I found funny at 8 years old, but don't now.

So those episodes I think eroded the original vision. So Roddenberry wanted all that scaled back. Now, I - like - the John M. Lucas episodes. I felt he caught the concept and had a good bit of lightness when necessary, but brought Kirk back to his more doubtful persona ("The Ultimate Computer" is the crowning achievement of that group). It was more serious than the Coon shows but that's what sold the high concept stories.

It is one thing that Irwin Allen really got right in "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea." Other than like 2 episodes out of 110, every episode was played straight. No matter how over the top, bizarre or just plain stupid the threat of the week was, everyone played it with a straight face. And that was the only way to accept it.

"Patterns of Force" is no less ridiculous than "A Piece of the Action" in concept but it works better for me because it's dead freaking serious, with only some light bits here and there to make things less tense (McCoy's boots, Melakon's appraisal of Spock, etc).

The third season did away with almost all humor which was probably an overreaction, because it felt like Kirk was on the outs with his crew after a season and a half of familiarity. But I still liked it and took those really dodgy episodes more seriously because of that tone.

So, the upshot: humor is fine. All out comedy episodes are fine...once in a while. The more episodes per season you have, the more you can do. Those days, you could do three and get away with it. These days, not so much. So, yes, humor please, not gags.
 
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