Leonard Nimoy back as Spock

[Botany Bay]

Christopher said:
The fact is, William Shatner just doesn't look like James T. Kirk anymore. He looks like Denny Crane.

Aww c'mon Christopher are you really saying you should keep Shatner out of a final scene with Leonard Nimoy because he's older and bigger than he was 20 years ago?

I got my partner watching TOS because of how much she enjoyed him in Boston Legal - she is a big fan of his work and is exactly the kind of new blood Trek XI is trying to get watching.

Sign the Shat up now! :thumbsup:

 

[Holytomato]

Why can't the flashback(s) be set before Generations' prologue?

 

[Therin of Andor]

^ Same reason Riker and Troi looked so wrong in ENT's finale. They just didn't look like their "Pegasus" selves.

 

[AC84]

Christopher said:
Aside from Billy Simpson as the young Spock in "Yesteryear" and Carl Steven, Vadia Potenza, Stephen Manley, Joe W. Davis, and Frank Welker in ST III. Not to mention the infant(s) who played the newborn Spock in ST V.

Aside from Billy Simpson, Carl Steven, Vadia Potenza, Stephen Manley Joe Davis Megatron baby, no other actor has played Spock in a large production until now.

aussie said:
PS : Please get the Shat-man for one last scene with Nimoy - I bet 99% of the real world would be willing to ignore "Generations" - I know I certainly would.

Exactly!

aussie said:
Aww c'mon Christopher are you really saying you should keep Shatner out of a final scene with Leonard Nimoy because he's older and bigger than he was 20 years ago?

I got my partner watching TOS because of how much she enjoyed him in Boston Legal - she is a big fan of his work and is exactly the kind of new blood Trek XI is trying to get watching.

Sign the Shat up now! :thumbsup:

Thank you!!!

 

[Bad_Will_Riker]

<3 Maxi Mounds!

*snip*

 

[Ronald Held]

Does anyone know whether Leonard is playing Spock in the Movie Era or TNG era?

 

[Christopher]

aussie said:

Christopher said:
The fact is, William Shatner just doesn't look like James T. Kirk anymore. He looks like Denny Crane.

Aww c'mon Christopher are you really saying you should keep Shatner out of a final scene with Leonard Nimoy because he's older and bigger than he was 20 years ago?

No, because Kirk died at a considerably younger age than Shatner is now, because Shatner couldn't convincingly fake being that age (as Therin said, we don't want another "These Are the Voyages"), and because the integrity and consistency of the story matter more than satisfying fan nostalgia.

Sign the Shat up now! :thumbsup:

Sure, but don't pass him off as pre-GEN Kirk and don't arbitrarily bring him back from the dead just to justify a brief cameo. Let him do the "Space: the final frontier" narration, off-camera.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Here's the thing, though--the last time we saw Spock--chronologically--he was on Romulus and we've been led to believe he's still there (the TNG writers wanted to kill him off-screen in "Face of the Enemy," iirc). So unless Len's scenes take place in the 24th Century, contemporaneous with NEM at least (frankly, I'd rather see them ten or fifteen years after NEM, since Nimoy looks much older than he did in "Reunification" and Spock should presumabley age slower than Nimoy), he's in much worse a physical position to reprise Spock than Shatner is to reprise Kirk. Nimoy every one of his seventy-some years--which, for a Vulcan, would be what? 235? 240?

 

[Ward Fowler]

Christopher said:
No, because Kirk died at a considerably younger age than Shatner is now, because Shatner couldn't convincingly fake being that age (as Therin said, we don't want another "These Are the Voyages"), and because the integrity and consistency of the story matter more than satisfying fan nostalgia.

There need not be a "These Are the Voyages" situation. Just make Shatner look younger. As you know, there is a precedent for it. In X-Men:The Last Stand they made Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen look younger with the aid of CGI. If the producers decided to take such a course, then they need not explain away Kirk's death and it gives the fans their nostalgia fix.

 

[Peacemaker]

Well, in Shatner's case it's not just the age, it's the pounds. He'd have to shed some for the role. There's only so much CG deaging that can be done before you turn him to Trek's Michael Jackson, so to speak.

I'd have him appear at the end: Spock tells the story of their first adventure together. At the end, after the main story is concluded, Spock dies a peaceful death. We hear a voice: "I've been waiting for you, old friend." (Cut to Shatner in his uniform from the movies). Cut to Nimoy now in his uniform as well("Fascinating.") "You're late," says Kirk. (Cut to the new Kirk actor). Raised eyebrow - Quinto as Nimoy. Then the light engulfs them both, akin to the end of Trek 6. The audience can leave it to their imaginations as to whether or not this is the afterlife or Spock is hallucinating on his deathbed, and everybody is reminded of their eternal friendship. It also gives us all closure on their respective characters.

 

[ElScoob]

peacemaker said:
I'd have him appear at the end: Spock tells the story of their first adventure together. At the end, after the main story is concluded, Spock dies a peaceful death. We hear a voice: "I've been waiting for you, old friend." (Cut to Shatner in his uniform from the movies). Cut to Nimoy now in his uniform as well("Fascinating.") "You're late," says Kirk. (Cut to the new Kirk actor). Raised eyebrow - Quinto as Nimoy. Then the light engulfs them both, akin to the end of Trek 6. The audience can leave it to their imaginations as to whether or not this is the afterlife or Spock is hallucinating on his deathbed, and everybody is reminded of their eternal friendship. It also gives us all closure on their respective characters.

Not bad at all. All it would really need would be De Kelley's voice saying, "'Bout time you showed up, Spock..." (alas)

 

[Ronald Held]

Why should he dies at the end, just to meet Kirk?

 

[Keith1701]

Therin of Andor said:
^ Same reason Riker and Troi looked so wrong in ENT's finale. They just didn't look like their "Pegasus" selves.

This is true, of course.....

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I have a better idea how Shatner could be worked into the movie. Just open the film with a title card saying "That piece of shit Generations? Never happened. Silence your cell phones and enjoy the show."

 

[thumbtack]

peacemaker said:
It also gives us all closure on their respective characters.

Closure is not the filmmakers' stated goal for these characters.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

In X-Men:The Last Stand they made Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen look younger with the aid of CGI.

Ergggg...I found those scenes to be jarring and fake looking. I kept thinking about the technique they were using, and it totally took me out of the story.

I HATE the idea of technology being used to replace what we've always had, talented actors capable of making us believe they're the same character as that other guy we've been used to seeing.

There are plenty of people who could play a young Xavier and Magneto (my nominees are Wentworth Miller and Edward Norton, or if we need someone younger, Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Shia LeBouef for Magneto, nobody springs to mind for Xavier but that requires only a little more thought). The point is, let's have some faith in the good old fashioned talent of actors and not expect technology to do everything.

Janeway was played by a slug and she had nasty slug sex with Tom Paris. lol

Thank you for reminding us of that cherished moment in Trek lore. On behalf of all K/S slash fans, I demand a gratuitous sex scene between Slug Kirk and Slug Spock.

More like salamanders, actually. Slugs are gastropods; these were amphibians.

Fine. Newt Kirk and Newt Spock then.

 

[Ezri]

Spock is old ..... very old ..... older than dirt.

 

[Phantassm]

^^And just because a character is "old," means that they are worthless?

 

[Ward Fowler]

Temis the Vorta said:

Ergggg...I found those scenes to be jarring and fake looking. I kept thinking about the technique they were using, and it totally took me out of the story.

I HATE the idea of technology being used to replace what we've always had, talented actors capable of making us believe they're the same character as that other guy we've been used to seeing.

There are plenty of people who could play a young Xavier and Magneto (my nominees are Wentworth Miller and Edward Norton, or if we need someone younger, Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Shia LeBouef for Magneto, nobody springs to mind for Xavier but that requires only a little more thought). The point is, let's have some faith in the good old fashioned talent of actors and not expect technology to do everything.

I wouldn't have a problem with Shatner appearing as Kirk looking exactly has he does now. I was just suggesting a work-around for those that might have a problem with it. I have no trouble suspending my disbelief for a sci-fi movie.

 

[Ronald Held]

Spock could live to be 240 Terran years or more.