Bobby is visited by the past when he finds a picture at his mother's grave indicating an old nemesis has returned, and the case only gets more complex when his brother and a mentor reappear.
I, for one, can not wait for this episode!
Law & Order: Criminal Intent - "Frame" - Goren/Eames - Season finale
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I, for one, can not wait for this episode!
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Less than two hours and counting! Gosh, it's going to be good. The one-minute teaser on USA network was fabulous and I know the whole episode will not disappoint!
Less than two hours and counting! Gosh, it's going to be good. The one-minute teaser on USA network was fabulous and I know the whole episode will not disappoint!
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Convoluted... I'm more confused than ever.
Convoluted... I'm more confused than ever.
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Wow, that was not what I expected.
What I expected was one final showdown between Nicole and Bobby, with Nicole striking Bobby deep in every way possible. His brother, his nephew, his mentor, the knowledge of his father, and even his career. And while that, in a way, is what happened, I was shocked to the point of denial (which I carried until the final scene) that Nicole was unceremoniously killed behind the scenes and her heart sent to Goren (and I expected it was Donnie's head, a la Se7en).
While I'm still pissed I didn't get my final confrontation between Nicole and Bobby (and very little of both Tony Goldwynn and Olivia D'Abo), I'm beginning to see the good in this episode thematically. Nicole, after a long history of murdering and double crossing a variety of partners, was herself double crossed and murdered. Even better, as Declan said in the hospital, someone other than Goren took down Goren's White Whale. Lastly (and I know people who have hated the recent personal angst for Goren will love this), Goren is given a clean slate with all the past ugliness cleared out. The only thing left hanging is Donnie.
Wow, that was not what I expected.
What I expected was one final showdown between Nicole and Bobby, with Nicole striking Bobby deep in every way possible. His brother, his nephew, his mentor, the knowledge of his father, and even his career. And while that, in a way, is what happened, I was shocked to the point of denial (which I carried until the final scene) that Nicole was unceremoniously killed behind the scenes and her heart sent to Goren (and I expected it was Donnie's head, a la Se7en).
While I'm still pissed I didn't get my final confrontation between Nicole and Bobby (and very little of both Tony Goldwynn and Olivia D'Abo), I'm beginning to see the good in this episode thematically. Nicole, after a long history of murdering and double crossing a variety of partners, was herself double crossed and murdered. Even better, as Declan said in the hospital, someone other than Goren took down Goren's White Whale. Lastly (and I know people who have hated the recent personal angst for Goren will love this), Goren is given a clean slate with all the past ugliness cleared out. The only thing left hanging is Donnie.
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I'm not at all convinced that Nicole is dead.
I don't care if the DNA results said it was her heart. She's faked stuff like this before. She could still be out there.
Side note: When Goren is in the lab freaking out Rodgers, who is that on the slab? Just a random victim that Rodgers was examining? I thought it might have been Donnie, but I guess this dead kid was too young.
I did like that bit where Ross goes to Rodgers to warn her that she might be next on the hit list, as it were.
And I didn't expect Declan Gage to be responsible for all this shit either. That came way the hell out of left field. In a good way.
Poor Frank, though...
I'm not at all convinced that Nicole is dead.
I don't care if the DNA results said it was her heart. She's faked stuff like this before. She could still be out there.
Side note: When Goren is in the lab freaking out Rodgers, who is that on the slab? Just a random victim that Rodgers was examining? I thought it might have been Donnie, but I guess this dead kid was too young.
I did like that bit where Ross goes to Rodgers to warn her that she might be next on the hit list, as it were.
And I didn't expect Declan Gage to be responsible for all this shit either. That came way the hell out of left field. In a good way.
Poor Frank, though...
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See, I was trying to convince myself of that from the moment Rodgers told use the results to the beginning of the final scene, but by the time of the confrontation of Declan, I'm pretty much gave up the ghost. And like I said in my review, thematically, it works better this way.
Just some random kid.
I didn't expected it, but when Wallace was declared dead, I saw the possibility of him being behind it (despite trying to convince myself at the same time that she was still alive). After all, who else would it be?
Yeah, I was shocked they killed him off so quickly.Poor Frank, though...
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Remember that time where they did the two alternate endings? The one I happened to see, was actually definitive: Nicole is shot dead, onscreen, by Goren and Eames. She even shows up on the slab! *That* is the only kind of death I will accept for Nicole.
The other ending, the one that was actually 'canon', had Nicole escape into the water but a quart of her blood was left behind. Rodgers says something about nobody can lose that much blood and live, but obviously Nicole did. (I forget the name of the episode where all this went down.)
This trick we just saw, with her heart, was on that level.
Remember that time where they did the two alternate endings? The one I happened to see, was actually definitive: Nicole is shot dead, onscreen, by Goren and Eames. She even shows up on the slab! *That* is the only kind of death I will accept for Nicole.
The other ending, the one that was actually 'canon', had Nicole escape into the water but a quart of her blood was left behind. Rodgers says something about nobody can lose that much blood and live, but obviously Nicole did. (I forget the name of the episode where all this went down.)
This trick we just saw, with her heart, was on that level.
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Yeah, I remember the episode ("Great Barrier"). Fans got to vote which ending they preferred. Clearly showed most people like Nicole (despite the hate she gets here). It's certainly possible she's still alive, but as I said, I can accept it as it is now.
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I felt the same way. I didn't want to believe it. It's an ignominious end for a terrific archnemesis (and a lovely recurring actress -- I love that voice). Not only will I miss having her around, but it's such an anticlimax.
It's also kind of repetitive to have Declan actually become a serial killer in his second appearance after he was suspected of being one in his first.
I don't think this will clean Bobby's slate. I mean, his brother has been murdered my his mentor, supposedly in Bobby's own interests. I'd call that grounds for plenty of angst, pain, rage, and guilt. There's nothing cleansing about this.
Although I don't mind the fact that this is the end of stories about Goren's family (unless they bring back Serial Daddy). I want to see him solving crimes and being quirky, darn it! I don't want all this melodrama.
She fooled Declan into thinking he'd murdered her and performed a cardiectomy on her? She'd have to be reallllllly good to pull that one off.
It's New York City -- a coroner's always going to have a fairly heavy caseload. That was the whole idea, that Goren interrupted her when she was in the middle of her work.
I thought it was pretty obvious, at least once Nicole's heart turned up. I mean, who else was there who was smart enough and knew enough about Bobby?
So... John Glover offs Olivia d'Abo. In DC Animated Universe terms, that means the Riddler just killed Morgaine Le Fey! Pretty impressive when you look at it that way. (Or maybe he just killed Star Sapphire. D'Abo played her too.)
I felt the same way. I didn't want to believe it. It's an ignominious end for a terrific archnemesis (and a lovely recurring actress -- I love that voice). Not only will I miss having her around, but it's such an anticlimax.
It's also kind of repetitive to have Declan actually become a serial killer in his second appearance after he was suspected of being one in his first.
I don't think this will clean Bobby's slate. I mean, his brother has been murdered my his mentor, supposedly in Bobby's own interests. I'd call that grounds for plenty of angst, pain, rage, and guilt. There's nothing cleansing about this.
Although I don't mind the fact that this is the end of stories about Goren's family (unless they bring back Serial Daddy). I want to see him solving crimes and being quirky, darn it! I don't want all this melodrama.
She fooled Declan into thinking he'd murdered her and performed a cardiectomy on her? She'd have to be reallllllly good to pull that one off.
It's New York City -- a coroner's always going to have a fairly heavy caseload. That was the whole idea, that Goren interrupted her when she was in the middle of her work.
I thought it was pretty obvious, at least once Nicole's heart turned up. I mean, who else was there who was smart enough and knew enough about Bobby?
So... John Glover offs Olivia d'Abo. In DC Animated Universe terms, that means the Riddler just killed Morgaine Le Fey! Pretty impressive when you look at it that way. (Or maybe he just killed Star Sapphire. D'Abo played her too.)
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Even if Declan said he killed Nicole, that doesn't mean he actually did. He could be covering for her.
Not that I'm complaining, really. If Nicole really is dead, I find that cause for celebration! I suppose that was the point all along.
And they couldn't really bring back Serial Daddy (i.e. Mark Ford Brady) since he was executed.
(Damn shame they never had Brady say something like "You're gonna need a bigger morgue!")
As for John & Olivia: In Trek terms, Verad Dax killed Amanda Rogers.
Even if Declan said he killed Nicole, that doesn't mean he actually did. He could be covering for her.
Not that I'm complaining, really. If Nicole really is dead, I find that cause for celebration! I suppose that was the point all along.
And they couldn't really bring back Serial Daddy (i.e. Mark Ford Brady) since he was executed.
(Damn shame they never had Brady say something like "You're gonna need a bigger morgue!")As for John & Olivia: In Trek terms, Verad Dax killed Amanda Rogers.
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I'll definitely miss Olivia D'Abo. Beautiful and talented, and yes, an incredible voice. For some reason, I love the way she says "Bobby."
A bit repetitive perhaps, but it works for me because how neurotic he is and the situation with his daughter caused him to snap. And as oppose to "Blind Spot," where he suspected for a large portion of the episode (but I could be wrong about that since it's been awhile since I've seen it), he wasn't suspected until the final quarter of the episode.
Hm, that is true, although I don't see any particular story potential to run with. Perhaps it'll be addressed in his first episode next season, but like the conflict with Eames this season, it will probably be quickly dealt with.
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Great episode. I think it lived up to the hype in my head. I too, was expecting more of a one on one showdown between Goren and Nicole Wallace; it became more of a clipfest for her character instead.
We really got great moments though: poor Bobby finding out about his brother, Ross finding out about Bobby's DNA test and having Eames investigate Goren about the murders! I couldn't believe it. Too bad we can't have Mark Ford Brady in a guest appearance. (RIP Roy Scheider)
It's going to be so interesting to see next season's dynamic between Goren and Eames. Bobby probably feels betrayed by Eames, or at least disappointed in her because she took the Captains' side against him. Let's hope it's like Declan Gage said at the end: that Bobby has a clean slate, that he's free from all this baggage and melodrama. I mean, how much more as CI fans can we take?
Off topic, I totally forgot that Jeff Goldblum is joining the cast in November. November can't come quick enough!
Great episode. I think it lived up to the hype in my head. I too, was expecting more of a one on one showdown between Goren and Nicole Wallace; it became more of a clipfest for her character instead.
We really got great moments though: poor Bobby finding out about his brother, Ross finding out about Bobby's DNA test and having Eames investigate Goren about the murders! I couldn't believe it. Too bad we can't have Mark Ford Brady in a guest appearance. (RIP Roy Scheider
)It's going to be so interesting to see next season's dynamic between Goren and Eames. Bobby probably feels betrayed by Eames, or at least disappointed in her because she took the Captains' side against him. Let's hope it's like Declan Gage said at the end: that Bobby has a clean slate, that he's free from all this baggage and melodrama. I mean, how much more as CI fans can we take?
Off topic, I totally forgot that Jeff Goldblum is joining the cast in November. November can't come quick enough!
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Very good episode. Poor Frank! At least we're rid of Nicole (never could stand her).
Very good episode. Poor Frank! At least we're rid of Nicole (never could stand her).
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We gotta wait till *November* for the new season?
What, is this because of the damn strike again?
We gotta wait till *November* for the new season?
What, is this because of the damn strike again?
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Considering the season ended in August I don't think that November is unreasonable.
Considering the season ended in August I don't think that November is unreasonable.
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And I think that November is a Sweeps month.
And I think that November is a Sweeps month.
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Agreed. I wasn't expecting any new episodes until next year! Glad it will be back so soon, even if we only get 16 episodes they plan on for Season Eight.
Agreed. I wasn't expecting any new episodes until next year! Glad it will be back so soon, even if we only get 16 episodes they plan on for Season Eight.
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I don't buy it. It doesn't fit the way he was characterized in that final scene. He'd totally given up on deception -- he didn't even try to deny anything once he knew Bobby had figured it out. In his deranged state, he didn't see Bobby as an adversary who threatened him, but as a colleague and surrogate son that he was opening up to, that he was proud to open up to about everything he'd done for him. And as a colleague with whom he was sharing a lively intellectual discussion about their shared work. Declan wasn't afraid or defensive or secretive -- he was totally open from the moment Bobby revealed he knew.
And Bobby was the one he did all this for, and Nicole was Bobby's enemy. It makes no sense in the context of Declan's psychology that he would lie to Bobby at this point to defend Nicole. It doesn't fit. Nicole is dead. Declan killed her.
That's at least as impressive as the Riddler offing Morgaine, since Amanda's a Q.
I don't buy it. It doesn't fit the way he was characterized in that final scene. He'd totally given up on deception -- he didn't even try to deny anything once he knew Bobby had figured it out. In his deranged state, he didn't see Bobby as an adversary who threatened him, but as a colleague and surrogate son that he was opening up to, that he was proud to open up to about everything he'd done for him. And as a colleague with whom he was sharing a lively intellectual discussion about their shared work. Declan wasn't afraid or defensive or secretive -- he was totally open from the moment Bobby revealed he knew.
And Bobby was the one he did all this for, and Nicole was Bobby's enemy. It makes no sense in the context of Declan's psychology that he would lie to Bobby at this point to defend Nicole. It doesn't fit. Nicole is dead. Declan killed her.
As for John & Olivia: In Trek terms, Verad Dax killed Amanda Rogers.
That's at least as impressive as the Riddler offing Morgaine, since Amanda's a Q.
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Excellent.
Once they told us the time of Nicole's death, I knew Declan was the killer. I occasionally had my doubts, wondering if it was really the nephew, but in the end...I was right. I'm sorta sad to see Nicole go, though I'd begun to despise the character. She was Bobby's white whale. The one murderer he couldn't catch. I guess I expected her to go out in a hail of bullets, but to be outwitted by another psychopath is sorta fitting.
So, the slate is clean for Bobby. It's going to be weird to see him without the emotional baggage. I wonder if Donofrio will portray Bobby differently.
Excellent.
Once they told us the time of Nicole's death, I knew Declan was the killer. I occasionally had my doubts, wondering if it was really the nephew, but in the end...I was right. I'm sorta sad to see Nicole go, though I'd begun to despise the character. She was Bobby's white whale. The one murderer he couldn't catch. I guess I expected her to go out in a hail of bullets, but to be outwitted by another psychopath is sorta fitting.
So, the slate is clean for Bobby. It's going to be weird to see him without the emotional baggage. I wonder if Donofrio will portray Bobby differently.
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Untill we see a body Nicole Wallace "death" is still up in the air..though it would damn hard to explain in a non-Sci-Fi series how she could of pulled it off..unless Rodgers is somehow involved in lying about it but that would be a real "jump the shark" moment if they went there.
But it dose seem the whole point of this episode was to give Goren a clean slate..though his Nephew Donny is still out there and his relationship to Eames is still strained so he still has some baggage to deal with.
I do hope when Jeff Goldblum comes on board that their planning a team up with the two teams which would be fun if Goldblum is going to play a Raines type character(having Goren and "Raines" together would be wild)..and plus Wheeler never a has interactive with Goren before.
Untill we see a body Nicole Wallace "death" is still up in the air..though it would damn hard to explain in a non-Sci-Fi series how she could of pulled it off..unless Rodgers is somehow involved in lying about it but that would be a real "jump the shark" moment if they went there.
But it dose seem the whole point of this episode was to give Goren a clean slate..though his Nephew Donny is still out there and his relationship to Eames is still strained so he still has some baggage to deal with.
I do hope when Jeff Goldblum comes on board that their planning a team up with the two teams which would be fun if Goldblum is going to play a Raines type character(having Goren and "Raines" together would be wild)..and plus Wheeler never a has interactive with Goren before.
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