Sweet Zombie Jesus, why are we still discussing this?
She was killed. It happened. Some folks don't agree with it and have said why. Some folks have agreed with it and said why. Some folks who don't agree with it have insulted the creators. Some folks on both sides who did not insult the creators have said it's wrong to insult people because of differences in creative opinion.
Is there really anywhere else to go with this?
Excuse me, but Gene Roddenberry was the creator of Star Trek
And I never said he wasn't. If you actually read my post, the context makes it obvious that I was using the term "creators" in reference to the authors and editors of the current line of Star Trek novels.
And, no, I wasn't talking about you when I said some people who disagreed with the decision to kill Janeway were insulting the creators.
and I hardly believe I would be insulting him IF he were alive. Star Trek isn't anyone's idea except Gene's.
Nonsense. Star Trek has always been a collaborative effort (Roddenberry's cult of personality notwithstanding). Leonard Nimoy came up with much of Vulcan culture, as did Theordore Sturgeon. Gene L. Coon created the Klingons, and D.C. Fontana pretty much wrote the definitive Spock episode in "Journey to Babel." David R. Gerold and D.C. Fontana both should probably have gotten co-creator credits on TNG, and goodness knows that Robert H. Justman made numerous contributions to TOS and TNG, including discovering Patrick Stewart. Nicholas Meyer made Trek relevant again during the 80s, Michael Piller saved TNG from Roddenberry's incompetent management (to be fair, incompetent in part because he was slipping away and let his lawyer run things), Ronald D. Moore wrote many of the definitive episodes of the modern Trek era, and Rick Berman, Piller, Jeri Taylor, and Brannon Braga were all the creators of the other spinoffs.
None of which is to minimize the essential role played by Roddenberry. He got the ball rolling, after all, and imbued it with his sense of optimism and his liberal politics. My point is not that Roddenberry's role should be minimized, but, rather, that the role that others played in the creation of Trek should not be minimized in favor of Roddenberry's. Star Trek has always been and will always be a collaborative world, and it doesn't belong solely to any one person. (It belongs solely to CBS Studios and Paramount Pictures.)
However, your Sweet Zombie Jesus is one of the reasons why I use the word resurrection in relationship to characters who have been brought back from the dead.Good one, my son has even said similar things. Such stories have been around for ages and it's a good writing technique to bring characters back to life. However, I like the Star Trek resurrections far better and Gene quite often did things with those story lines in them- "Who Mourns for Adonis" (TOS) and "Justice" (TNG) are a couple examples.
However, Gene would not want us to buy something we do not agree with and he appreciated the opinions of his fans greatly. However, since Gene died, what is called Trek now is nothing anywhere near Gene's vision. It is far from it. Those who have taken over it have made it into something it never was nor was it meant to be. It's just not Star Trek anymore- this includes the series Enterprise (it was NOT Trek) and the upcoming movie too.
Considering that you haven't even seen the movie, I don't know how you can logically claim that.
BTW, what are the core traits that make something legitimately "Trek" to you? (And, BTW, are you aware that Roddenberry played virtually no role in TNG between the start of Season Three and his death -- and that the seasons he was active in are usually considered amongst its worst?)
The more recent books I have been quite disappointed in and haven't care for them- although... and Christopher may take a little bit of solace in this, even though he didn't write all three, the Titan series, up to the last book I read (3) wasn't bad at all. Orion's Hounds was good.
I'm very picky about my Trek and if it doesn't have much by way of humanistic values in it, I don't consider it Trek.
I'm not aware of any Trek story that doesn't accept humanistic values. The most I can say of them is that they sometimes depict characters or situations in which humanistic values are not served in the interest of exploring the moral consequences of a loss of such humanism. Reap the Whirlwind, for instance, features the main characters who think they're doing the right thing again and again throughout the book and yet end up getting thousands killed.... and then they take the consequences of it in an attempt to restore justice.
Also, it did not happen that Janeway died, except in that one story. BTW, I'm not going to buy the book, because of it. Therefore, she did not die and I could very well write one that carries on as though said book never existed or any other Janeway fan who is a writer. It would be as though that book never existed and that can be done.
Erm, well, sure, if you want to write fan fiction, that's your right. But you do not determine what has happened in the official Trek fiction, CBS and Pocket do.
But, yeah, you basically just enacted exactly what I said above. "Some people don't agree with the decision." Well, yes. This has been established before, on multiple occasions. We're all just going 'round in circles here.
If you disagree that severely with the decision to kill Janeway, don't buy the books and write your fan fiction. What's the point of continuing to talk about it?