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Latecomer To This: JANEWAY DIED?!?
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Completely fair and respectable.
I can only speak for myself and I will do my best to keep my path clean. I do enjoy a good debate and acknowledge that nothing good comes from arguing.
Yeah, and that sucked. Having read several of the threads here or at least large chunks of them, I felt it would be interesting to throw into the discussion the possibility that Janeway/Voyager fans - minority or not
- might actually increase sales if the publisher decided to focus on them/us a bit more.However, sadly that point got lost in arguments about boycutts, sexist accusations, etc.
I do apologize if I've stepped on any toes. It was not my intention and since English is not my first language... well I might make a mistake here and there - like stating that I have issues with the person who made the decision when I should have made it clear that it was the decision and not the person behind the decision.
Nobody's said that, either, I don't think, though I'm willing to be proven wrong. (I'm not willing to wade through these threads again...
Perhaps you're right in nobody having used those exact words, but a lot has been written in this thread and all I said was that that was the impression I got.
It may not have been the poster's intention to give off that impression, but whether it was or not that's the feeling I got when I read through the many posts.
I won't pretend to know Pocket Books' procedures, and I realize that one person leaving and another taking over does require more time as I value quality, but I do think they lost a lot of potential customers with the delay and by not focusing more on specific Voyager books with a strong Janeway character. Again I can only speak for me, but that's how I feel.
I had a long post all ready to go, and then I read TerriO's comments, decided that what I'd written was more snarky than helpful, and deleted it. But then I read this:
Gorf, I was really stunned to read that English is a second language for you. May I say that your command of English is excellent, and from what I have seen, you express your ideas well. One of my complaints about some of the arguments posted hereabouts is that it's generally advisable to make sure you're expressing yourself clearly and as eloquently as possible, whether you're making a complaint, offering a suggestion, or just making a comment; indeed, I believe you owe it to yourself to do so. If nothing else, using proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation will make your comments more like to be (at the very least) listened to, even if not heeded outright. (And yes, I know this is the internet...I just don't think convenience ought to be a substitute for standards.)
So all this is by the way of saying that I wish that everyone for whom English is their first language expressed themselves as well as you do, Gorf, and even though I may not necessarily agree with you, I admire the hell out of the way you put your ideas forth.
Gorf, I was really stunned to read that English is a second language for you. May I say that your command of English is excellent, and from what I have seen, you express your ideas well. One of my complaints about some of the arguments posted hereabouts is that it's generally advisable to make sure you're expressing yourself clearly and as eloquently as possible, whether you're making a complaint, offering a suggestion, or just making a comment; indeed, I believe you owe it to yourself to do so. If nothing else, using proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation will make your comments more like to be (at the very least) listened to, even if not heeded outright. (And yes, I know this is the internet...I just don't think convenience ought to be a substitute for standards.)
So all this is by the way of saying that I wish that everyone for whom English is their first language expressed themselves as well as you do, Gorf, and even though I may not necessarily agree with you, I admire the hell out of the way you put your ideas forth.
Thank you.
Most of my private life is spent in English and has been for years so I have plenty of experience and learning languages come easily to me though English is the only one I speak to this degree, but yes English is not my native language and so I do take my time making sure that my posts say what I want them to say - or...well, I try.
Dayton, Keith, if you can't at least try to help, get out of the kitchen. I mean it.
Fine, that's your decision and you're perfectly entitled to it. I don't think anyone here ever said you weren't.
Where you're coming from as a reader is exactly what happened to me as a writer. I said that same quote to several people when I withdrew my name from consideration for future Trek projects back in 2006. I contributed to the fiction where I could, and there was just nothing left for me to contribute to anymore. The line is going in a different direction from where you're going as a reader. Did the same thing to me as a writer. If you're a 24th Century fan like me, you weren't on the same path with Trek for ENT, and now your path is diverging from VOY. Yeah, it sucks, but that's the way life goes. We have our friends for a time, but then their lives move away from ours, and if we can't/won't keep up, then we move away from them.
I'm right there with you, but there's got to be a time when we realize that, you know, we're just getting pissed off over something we can't change, making ourselves look like fools by continually going into histrionics over it, and really, why not put the energy that anger is raising into something more constructive? Because it's only going to eat you up from the inside and make you an angry, bitter, perpetually mean person if you don't. What does the anger get you? A little bit of attention for the righteous indignation? What's that worth in the grand scheme of things?
Why not channel that anger into your writing, get some original novels out there, and then try to walk back into Trek as an experienced novelist and pitch the perfect "bring back Janeway" story? That's a far more constructive use of energy than what we've been doing in this thread, no?
Thanks for some good advices.
As for writing, I'm actually doing a lot of writing for different publications about different things I'm interested in.
As for channeling my anger into something constructive, well I actually did that when Kes was kicked out, I wrote a come-back story which I tried to sell with no success, then re-wrote it slightly after "Fury" and tried the same thing without success (even if some people at Paramount actually liked it). So I did put it out on my website, followed by a sequel in which I proved that I could come up with a story within the parametres of the "Voyager Relaunch".
I do have some ideas for more stories and we'll see what I can make of them. However, I don't think they will fit into the "new direction" of the Voyager Relaunch and other relaunches.
Time is also a problem for me. But I'll see what I can come up with.
Nope, nothing vindicating or satisfying at all, but if it gets a reaction where other tacks have proven to be failures, I'll use it to get my point across. After all, look at the conversation which developed when someone took notice
So, am I reading all of this right? Have we actually achieved some sort of detente?
*curses self for the diplomatic thing again*
But the blessings you receive from the rest of us negate your curses!
So, am I reading all of this right? Have we actually achieved some sort of detente?
*curses self for the diplomatic thing again*
But the blessings you receive from the rest of us negate your curses!
Plus it makes the site a little less of a warzone.
You're welcome, Lynx.
So, am I reading all of this right? Have we actually achieved some sort of detente?
*curses self for the diplomatic thing again*
I guess so.
But to be honest, I have no conflict with you or anyone else. I'm just annoyed over the killing off of Janeway but I have no intention to make it personal.
Besides that, your post was very friendly. No problems to reach an agreement then.
CaptPicard
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Since when is Janeway considered a "beloved" character? Someone forgot to deliver the paper that day!
Since when is Janeway considered a "beloved" character? Someone forgot to deliver the paper that day!
Well, that's the kind of post that could set it all off again.
Since when is Janeway considered a "beloved" character? Someone forgot to deliver the paper that day!
you've screwed your quoting there matey, I never said that.
meatime, I'll be over by Dayton. always side with the Marine.
Since when is Janeway considered a "beloved" character? Someone forgot to deliver the paper that day!
you've screwed your quoting there matey, I never said that.
meatime, I'll be over by Dayton. always side with the Marine.
I'm not to worried I found the missing NuBSG Pegasus Vipers and some extra nukes.
Who needs those toys?
Come here, little one.
I was the Alpha Bitch before the diplomatic thing rotted my brain.
Who needs those toys?
Come here, little one.
I was the Alpha Bitch before the diplomatic thing rotted my brain.
Watch it Captain Robau owes me, and he has no trouble destroying people who annoy those he owes as a way to pay it back.
Wouldn't the reverse of that be true? "My friends all like what I like so that means it must be popular?".
If you go by the sheer numbers of those on the Internet who write fanfiction featuring Voyager and Janeway plus factor in readers of those stories then her fanbase is larger then you guys (some of whom I'm sure aren't even Voyager fans) would like to believe.
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