Last chance for Books...

[JustKate]

Having now seen the film, I'm convinced books from either timeline can co-exist in harmony. No "crossing the streams" required.

Crossing the streams would be bad.

How bad?

Try imagining the life of a trekkie as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in his/her body exploding at warp factor 10.

(Because once again, one smiley is just not enough.)

All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, William.

 

[Saito S]

There's something about the above post which evokes in me...what?...nostalgia isn't the word....

Deja Vu?

"Captain, the anomaly is beginning to fluctuate. I'm reading massive amounts of chroniton radiation, as well as a neutrino surge... I believe some sort of object may be traveling through it."

"Can you identify the object, Ensign?"

"I'm having trouble cutting through the interference... hold on, it's beginning to clear. Sensor readings correspond with a previously encountered object in Starfleet records... *gasps* Sir, it's the 'Bring Back Janeway' thread!"

"Shields up! All hands to battle stations!"





... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[DimesDan]

There's something about the above post which evokes in me...what?...nostalgia isn't the word....

Deja Vu?

"Captain, the anomaly is beginning to fluctuate. I'm reading massive amounts of chroniton radiation, as well as a neutrino surge... I believe some sort of object may be traveling through it."

"Can you identify the object, Ensign?"

"I'm having trouble cutting through the interference... hold on, it's beginning to clear. Sensor readings correspond with a previously encountered object in Starfleet records... *gasps* Sir, it's the 'Bring Back Janeway' thread!"

"Shields up! All hands to battle stations!"





... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

That was hilarious

Does it get bigger though by eating Planetary bodies?

 

[Marie1]

Yes. Yes it does. :P

 

[Therin of Andor]

I do have serious doubts about the movie. I find it a lack of imagination to come up with a re-cycled TOS instead of doing what TNG did once, come up with something new, fresh and interesting.

You've already stated before that you reject any new continuing character into VOY, so I cannot imagine you turning up to any big budget ST movie that promises "new, fresh and interesting".

I've seen the new movie. And you know what? It's new, fresh and interesting. It's incredible.

You'll hate it. Don't go!

Have you ever considered that some TOS fans have waited 40 years for this movie? Not every TOS fan wanted to see the 24th century. They'd have preferred exploration of the 23rd century.

 

[JD]

There's something about the above post which evokes in me...what?...nostalgia isn't the word....

Deja Vu?

"Captain, the anomaly is beginning to fluctuate. I'm reading massive amounts of chroniton radiation, as well as a neutrino surge... I believe some sort of object may be traveling through it."

"Can you identify the object, Ensign?"

"I'm having trouble cutting through the interference... hold on, it's beginning to clear. Sensor readings correspond with a previously encountered object in Starfleet records... *gasps* Sir, it's the 'Bring Back Janeway' thread!"

"Shields up! All hands to battle stations!"





... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

That was hilarious

Does it get bigger though by eating Planetary bodies?

Yes. Yes it does. :P

The horror, the hhhhhoooorrrrrrooooorrrrrrrrr.

 

[FatherRob]

What PocketBooks should consider is to come up with better books when it comes to ALL their series and don't alienate loyal fans which they are doing now.

Who's alienated? If any substantial amount of fans were alienated, sales would plummet, and we wouldn't get any books.

Sure, I have issues with the direction that certain series have went, but I still read the books.

Think of it this way. Let's say I hate the new movie when it comes out. Do you seriously think I'll boycott the next one? Unless the next film is two hours of Kirk sitting on a Captain's Log, the answer is probably not. I'll go, hating and all, and will gladly pay my dinero if only to have a reason to complain.

I like some choices (Vanguard, DS9) and have had some concerns about others, but I generally tend to call them as I see them in my reviews. I don't see any genuine alienation, but then again, perhaps I am just blind.

Rob+

 

[ClayinCA]

There's something about the above post which evokes in me...what?...nostalgia isn't the word....

Deja Vu?

"Captain, the anomaly is beginning to fluctuate. I'm reading massive amounts of chroniton radiation, as well as a neutrino surge... I believe some sort of object may be traveling through it."

"Can you identify the object, Ensign?"

"I'm having trouble cutting through the interference... hold on, it's beginning to clear. Sensor readings correspond with a previously encountered object in Starfleet records... *gasps* Sir, it's the 'Bring Back Janeway' thread!"

"Shields up! All hands to battle stations!"





... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

Saito S! I've missed you! How are things?

 

[Lynx]

I do have serious doubts about the movie. I find it a lack of imagination to come up with a re-cycled TOS instead of doing what TNG did once, come up with something new, fresh and interesting.

You've already stated before that you reject any new continuing character into VOY, so I cannot imagine you turning up to any big budget ST movie that promises "new, fresh and interesting".

I've seen the new movie. And you know what? It's new, fresh and interesting. It's incredible.

You'll hate it. Don't go!

Have you ever considered that some TOS fans have waited 40 years for this movie? Not every TOS fan wanted to see the 24th century. They'd have preferred exploration of the 23rd century.

Dear Therin. I would kindly suggest that you read my post once again.

Because you did miss this:

However, if this movie can wake the sleeping beauty and restore it to some of its former glory, then I will be grateful for it.

As you can see, I don't hate the movie. I will watch it as soon as I get an opportunity and then I will give it a fair review.

And as I wrote, if the movie can bring back Star trek to its former glory and attract some new fans, then I'm positive to it at least as long as it won't screw up established Star Trek history.

What I wanted to point out in my post was that it would be a mistake for PocketBooks to abandon the 24th century and only produce books based on the movie. It's bad enough as it is with some of the book series.

 

[Saito S]

Saito S! I've missed you! How are things?

Heya Not bad. I actually have been posting around in other sub-forums, not a ton, but here and there. If it seems like I sort of dropped off the face of the galaxy in the TrekLit forum specifically, well, there's sort of a reason for that. Besides my available time for posting fluctuating, I posted a bunch in that infamous thread because I found the subject matter interesting. But beyond that, I find that most of the threads in here pertain to books I'm either never going to read, or have yet to read. I'm currently making my way through the "Mission Gamma" sub-series, having jumped into the post-finale DS9 stuff with both feet. I hadn't paid attention to Trek books in years before a few months ago. Prior to that, I could never really get into the books all that much (back when they were all "episodic"), and had long since lost track of what was happening with the various novel lines by the time the relaunch stuff began to appear. In all truth, it was a couple of particular plot points about the Destiny trilogy that I happened upon while idly clicking through things on Memory Beta (that were - on reflection - technically spoilers) that made me decide to pursue these. So, I found Before Dishonor (good, not great) and Greater Than the Sum (absolutely stellar), as well as the "Twist of Faith" omnibus (very good throughout, especially the surprisingly engaging Demons of Air and Darkness) at a clearance sale in a bookstore that was closing down, and since reading those, I've managed to track down actual paperbacks or e-books for most of the books I need to read (I wish I could afford a Kindle ). I'm making my way through the DS9-R slowly but surely, and am looking forward to reading Destiny after hearing about how big and epic it seems to be.

Anyway, the point of all that was to illustrate that I don't really have a lot to say in most of the threads that crop up on this forum, since I'd be risking spoilers in many cases by clicking on threads about books I'm still planning to get to, and obviously can't say too much about other books I haven't read (especially ones I'm likely never going to get to). But there are threads now and then (like this one) that are more general, that you might see me posting in. And the other point of the above paragraph was to illustrate - once again - that brevity is not a virtue of mine.

 

[KRAD]

(very good throughout, especially the surprisingly engaging Demons of Air and Darkness)

Gladja liked it! Though I'm curious as to why its engaging-ness (I just made that word up) was such a surprise.....

 

[Saito S]

(very good throughout, especially the surprisingly engaging Demons of Air and Darkness)

Gladja liked it! Though I'm curious as to why its engaging-ness (I just made that word up) was such a surprise.....

KRAD has spoken: Engaging-ness is now a word!

But seriously... this may sound silly, but it's actually really cool that you posted and asked me that directly. I suppose that's one of the things that drew me to the TrekBBS during my recent dive into the books, the fact that some of the authors actually post on the board, but still, given that I myself hope to, at some point, not only publish fiction in general, but Trek fiction in particular (among other things, of course), I kinda feel like I'm having a conversation with a celebrity or something.

So! As for your question: I realized when I read your reply that I really didn't word that very well. It kinda sounds like "Man, I totally thought this one was gonna be crap, but it was actually good!" But that's really not how I felt about it, haha. For one thing, the only work of yours I can think of that I've read was The Ceremony of Innocence is Drowned in "Tales of the Dominion War". That was amazing, so I had no reason to think it wouldn't be good. What I meant was this: the Avatar books were both very good, as was Abyss. And knowing some details about what Demons of Air and Darkness was about (from a friend who's read most of these and mentioned this one to me ages ago), I just kinda figured it wouldn't have quite as much engaging-ness as the others. Whereas Avatar and Abyss seemed like they were about very "large" events, continuing the overall story of DS9, I expected Demons to have a kind of "sidestory" vibe. Ok, so this colony I've never heard of is threatened, and the Iconian gateways are involved, which is kinda interesting, but it just didn't feel like it would grab me as much as the rest of the omnibus books had. Yet, after reading it, I looked back at the whole omnibus, and I have to say (with all due respect to S.D. Perry, David Weddle, and Jeffery Lang; those books were still quite good) that out of all the books contained in it, this one is definitely my favorite. It was no less epic in scope and feel than the others, I thought; hence, a certain degree of surprise given my expectations. But a pleasant one. Demons of Air and Darkness stands with Greater Than the Sum as my two favorite Trek novels (ever) at this moment. Granted, I haven't read a ton of them, and there are quite a few more I plan to get to (in the middle of Mission Gamma: Twilight right now), and to be fair, I kind of lump Horn and Ivory in as part of the same book (I LOVED that scene near the end, when Kira is actually with the Iconian), but still. Oh, and The Lives of Dax was also excellent, though it wasn't really a "novel" per se.

Having said all that, it really was fantastic. Considering the fact that Europa Nova was a colony I'd never heard of before, it really came alive during the course of the story, and the whole unfolding multi-level plotline was very nicely done. Also, I have to mention the rather sudden revelation about the true identity of Quark's dabo girl companion while on the Orion ship. That completely got me, I didn't see it coming at all. I was on BART (read: commuter train, for those of you who've never been to the San Francisco Bay Area) at the time I read that part, and I remember I had to stifle my sound of shock, lest my fellow commuters think I was some kinda wacko. Which I am, but I figured they didn't need to know that.

 

[Trent Roman]

I can't help but think of the ease by which "I'm riding BART in San Francisco" could be misinterpreted.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[ClayinCA]

Heya Not bad. I actually have been posting around in other sub-forums, not a ton, but here and there. If it seems like I sort of dropped off the face of the galaxy in the TrekLit forum specifically, well, there's sort of a reason for that. Besides my available time for posting fluctuating, I posted a bunch in that infamous thread because I found the subject matter interesting. But beyond that, I find that most of the threads in here pertain to books I'm either never going to read, or have yet to read.

I figured it was something like that. I've been a little more scarce than usual around here myself lately (at least, as compared to the almost hourly posting I did back in the grand old days of That Thread).

I'm currently making my way through the "Mission Gamma" sub-series, having jumped into the post-finale DS9 stuff with both feet. I hadn't paid attention to Trek books in years before a few months ago. Prior to that, I could never really get into the books all that much (back when they were all "episodic"), and had long since lost track of what was happening with the various novel lines by the time the relaunch stuff began to appear.

That's very similar to my own experiences when I got back into TrekLit a few years ago (back around the time the DS9 "relaunch" was starting); I had gotten sick and tired of the "reset button" mentality enforced upon the line by Richard Arnold. Not that there hadn't been some really good books done during that time, 'cause there were; but the fiction line had become something that I only glanced at if the author was someone whose work I already knew. Now, I find myself wanting to buy pretty much every book that comes out, which is great for Pocket Books but pretty lousy for my wallet. Full Circle was so good that it even made me plan on picking up future Voyager novels, and I would have been prepared to bet money that that was never going to happen.

I'm making my way through the DS9-R slowly but surely, and am looking forward to reading Destiny after hearing about how big and epic it seems to be.

It's great. I think you'll really enjoy it.

And the other point of the above paragraph was to illustrate - once again - that brevity is not a virtue of mine.

Yeah, me neither. I'd be even worse if I weren't doing most of these postings at work, and had time to be even more long-winded than I am.

But seriously... this may sound silly, but it's actually really cool that you posted and asked me that directly. I suppose that's one of the things that drew me to the TrekBBS during my recent dive into the books, the fact that some of the authors actually post on the board, but still, given that I myself hope to, at some point, not only publish fiction in general, but Trek fiction in particular (among other things, of course), I kinda feel like I'm having a conversation with a celebrity or something.

That's one of my favourite things about the Trek BBS: the chance to speak and interact with the writers of some of my favourite reading. I'm working my way through Vanguard: Open Secrets right now, and I can't wait to post to Dayton Ward about it.

 

[rahullak]

KRAD has spoken: Engaging-ness is now a word!

But seriously... this may sound silly, but it's actually really cool that you posted and asked me that directly. I suppose that's one of the things that drew me to the TrekBBS during my recent dive into the books, the fact that some of the authors actually post on the board, but still, given that I myself hope to, at some point, not only publish fiction in general, but Trek fiction in particular (among other things, of course), I kinda feel like I'm having a conversation with a celebrity or something.

I felt exactly the same way when I found trekbbs and started posting. The first time I posted, Christopher replied and I was like "WTF!!!???" THE CHRISTOPHER??? This must be some kinda joke (since its the Internets and anybody can be anybody). But after strolling (not trolling ) through TrekBBS, I found that its actually true and started thinking, "Wow! I actually get to talk with these celebrities."

For what its worth, I think its amazing that the authors (and even the editors, I saw a Greenberger post once) take the time out to interact with fans almost everyday.

I am kind of hoping that some of that literary genius rubs off on me, and perhaps someday I can inflict my own brand of story-telling on the unsuspecting Treklit fans and sci-fi fans in general.

 

[Stevil2001]

But after strolling (not trolling ) through TrekBBS, I found that its actually true and started thinking, "Wow! I actually get to talk with these celebrities."

Then you came to your senses and realized they were just Star Trek authors.

 

[OmahaStar]

But after strolling (not trolling ) through TrekBBS, I found that its actually true and started thinking, "Wow! I actually get to talk with these celebrities."

Then you came to your senses and realized they were just Star Trek authors.

I still get a tingle when I see posts by Garamet, Mike Friedman, and Bob Greenberger. These new people (Krad, Davey George, Mack and the others) just aren't at Minor Deity level like Greenberger.

 

[Section 31]

KRAD has spoken: Engaging-ness is now a word!

But seriously... this may sound silly, but it's actually really cool that you posted and asked me that directly. I suppose that's one of the things that drew me to the TrekBBS during my recent dive into the books, the fact that some of the authors actually post on the board, but still, given that I myself hope to, at some point, not only publish fiction in general, but Trek fiction in particular (among other things, of course), I kinda feel like I'm having a conversation with a celebrity or something.

I felt exactly the same way when I found trekbbs and started posting. The first time I posted, Christopher replied and I was like "WTF!!!???" THE CHRISTOPHER??? This must be some kinda joke (since its the Internets and anybody can be anybody). But after strolling (not trolling ) through TrekBBS, I found that its actually true and started thinking, "Wow! I actually get to talk with these celebrities."

For what its worth, I think its amazing that the authors (and even the editors, I saw a Greenberger post once) take the time out to interact with fans almost everyday.

I agree. It's definitely a big part of the appeal of this forum.

 

[Man of Steel]

On a similar note, it's now time for all supermodels to stop dating rock stars and pro athletes, and start dating me instead. All the modeling agencies should demand this, because clearly, this is the only chance the supermodel industry has to remain relevant.

You wish Bill. You wish.