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Last chance for Books...

Trek has been off the air for nearly 4 years, and it's been over six years since Nemesis...yet the novel lines are still going strong. These books have had no problem surviving in a climate where there isn't a visible Trek presence on-screen anywhere.

Let's not forget that ST prose fiction first came into its own during a period when there was no onscreen Trek (except a Saturday morning cartoon that not everybody took seriously or paid attention to) for a whole decade. Heck, let's not forget that Star Trek didn't even become hugely popular until after it was cancelled. It was the constant reruns, not the original network run, that imprinted it upon the national consciousness. And when people clamored for more, books were one of the few ways to get it.

It is true that the books became more successful and frequent once ST was back on the big screen, and then even more so when it was back on TV again. So there is some correlation between the popularity of the screen franchise and the success of the books. But history shows that Trek books can be successful to at least a moderate degree in the absence of new onscreen Trek.


Pocket can put the images of the new character actors on books about the old timeline!

Why would they? Everyone's saying it's a good idea to have books in both timelines. What better way to differentiate them clearly for buyers than to use the TOS cast on TOS book covers and the Abramsverse cast on Abramsverse book covers?


In my non-expert opinion - as a Trek fan since 1991 - that the number one reason interest in Trek fiction may have "bottomed out" is simply...the massive numbers of people who read Trek fiction are no longer interested in Star Trek. When Trek fiction peaked (that time during the early 90s when a Trek book was purchased around the world something like every 30 seconds), Star Trek: The Next Generation was on television, with new episodes being syndicated to such audiences that - if it had been a network show - it would have been in the top ten Nielsen ratings every week. That's what drove viewers to Trek novels - which, as Christopher pointed out - already did excellent sales for Pocket and Paramount.

See my comments above. Yes, popularity of onscreen Trek amplifies the popularity of the books. But the absence of onscreen Trek keeps the books popular among a smaller, more hardcore segment of the fanbase, because the books (counting comics) then become their primary source of new Trek. So even if the books lose that extra boost of broader popularity that comes with a successful screen franchise, that doesn't mean the core audience is going to abandon the books.
 
Well, I'll put it bluntly as well. If Pocket and TBTB were to discontinue DS9, TNG, TTN and VOY (maybe), you could consider me done with Trek Lit. I'll be happy to read an occasional book about the new cast (in addition to DS9, etc.), but I have no desire to see the stories from the books I prefer, disappear, simply because of a new movie not involving those casts.

As far as I'm concerned, the new movie has no bearing whatsoever on what is happening in the 24th century novels and I'd prefer it stay that way. Paramount has decided to change Trek history, and that's fine, but the way I see it.. all those television shows still exist, and there's no reason that fiction based on them can't continue indefinitely.

As for there being a 'glut' of Trek.. There are actually less books being put out now than before.. But I still buy every DS9, TNG, TTN and VOY book, in addition to the various crossovers, Lost Era, etc. I like the varied stories and characters within them. To be stuck with a single cast of characters at this point.. one that the authors wouldn't have the freedom to develop and handle in their own ways due to restrictions that each new movie would impose on them, would become a bit boring in my opinion.

So, no thanks.. I'll keep my numerous series, and enjoy every minute of it.. and I'll continue to support Trek, Pocket Books and Paramount, et al as long as they continue to provide those options for me.
 
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Well, I'll put it bluntly as well. If Pocket and TBTB were to discontinue DS9, TNG, TTN and VOY (maybe), you could consider me done with Trek Lit. I'll be happy to read an occasional book about the new cast (in addition to DS9, etc.), but I have no desire to see the stories from the books I prefer, disappear, simply because of a new movie not involving those casts.

Then it's a good thing that there's absolutely no reason to expect such a thing would ever happen.

As far as I'm concerned, the new movie has no bearing whatsoever on what is happening in the 24th century novels and I'd prefer it stay that way. Paramount has decided to change Trek history, and that's fine, but the way I see it.. all those television shows still exist, and there's no reason that fiction based on them can't continue indefinitely.

Paramount and the Abrams "Supreme Court" agree with you. The movie is not "changing" Trek history or replacing it, it's coexisting alongside it.
 
Pocket Books should stop publishing Trek Lit, and invest that money in developing Time Travel. Then I could go back to 1967 and experience Trek from the beginning, along with everyone else.


Added bonus of when I catch up to the modern day, I'll be too old to give a shit about climate change, and can just waste away my twilight years.
 
See my comments above. Yes, popularity of onscreen Trek amplifies the popularity of the books. But the absence of onscreen Trek keeps the books popular among a smaller, more hardcore segment of the fanbase, because the books (counting comics) then become their primary source of new Trek. So even if the books lose that extra boost of broader popularity that comes with a successful screen franchise, that doesn't mean the core audience is going to abandon the books.

Actually...I was agreeing with you, Christopher. But, that's the key word - smaller. Thus the shrinkage.
 
I'm actually curious whether Simon and Shuster will be allowed to produce trek books for the new continuity (outside of the planned movie novelization). Trek movies and Trek books are technically being put out by separate companies (despite being essentially owned by the same guy). I could see JJ and crew putting pressure on some executives to give them complete control over anything new continuity-related.

It may also be that S&S have to split the royalties too much on new continuity material. They may simply be able to make more money off their current booklines.
 
lol I don't even read TOS books, except for the occasional crossover event. My interest in nuTrek (is this what we're calling the reboot? I'm out of the loop) books would be below zero. And I'm talking kelvin scale. Anything like what the OP proposes and I would be done with Trek for good. Stuck in the 24th century here, sorry. I'd be happy to go forward but TPTB seems determined to go backward, so... thankfully Pocket books has been making where I am quite comfortable for almost a decade now.

If the new movie is a hit as it seems it will be, I'm sure a line of books inspired by it is pretty much guaranteed. So everybody can be happy, writers included (a "new" playground must be nice).
 
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My interest in nuTrek (is this what we're calling the reboot? I'm out of the loop)

I haven't heard it called that, and there's no consensus nickname for it. Properly it's just Star Trek (2009). I've vacillated between terms like Abramsverse, ST09, STJJ, and just "the new continuity."

books would be below zero. And I'm talking kelvin scale.

Not the best analogy, since in theory, once you drop below zero on the Kelvin scale, you sort of loop around to infinity and go down from there. (It's a quantum thing.) So you're basically saying your interest is virtually infinite. :D
 
books would be below zero. And I'm talking kelvin scale.
Not the best analogy, since in theory, once you drop below zero on the Kelvin scale, you sort of loop around to infinity and go down from there. (It's a quantum thing.) So you're basically saying your interest is virtually infinite. :D

oops :lol: then let's pretend I didn't write "below". *grumbles about quantum theory* ;)
 
I think the OP is retarded. I just made my girlfriend watch the entire TNG boxed set, and now she is HOOKED. Everyone I tell this too either says: "Really? I'd love to watch TNG again." or: "That's so odd you should say that, I just got into TNG too."

Basically, TNG and it's spinoffs will always be with us. They are classics, just like TOS was when TNG started for us. The novels continue that story. There will always be interest, just like there was interest for the TOS novels before TNG came out. Sure the interest may wax and wane, but the movie coming back around will not erase that- on the contrary, it will probably spark some people otherwise disinterested into the Trek universe. Certainly the movie coming back has reminded me how in love with Trek (and Trek Lit! I consider them one in the same, actually) I used to be, and I've been dipping into the very healthy Trek section of my bookstore once again.

I really appreciate Pocket keeping the Trek line alive and fresh. But even if they hadn't done such a stirling job, there'd always be people keeping it alive with their own writing. That's what Trek has becoming- something bigger than any one film, series, game or novel. It will always continue- embrace the infinite diversity in all the infinite combinations.
 
I don't think the books are in any real danger. I do understand the point and the concern here, but I would go as far as Star Trek in comics and just by looking there you will see there is almost always a publication willing to do Star Trek stories. I am not speaking for Pocket, as I do not know the sales numbers....but it seems likely that if Pocket didn't want the line any more someone would want to pick it up.

As far as the comics.....Gold Key, Marvel, DC, Malibu, Wildstorm, Marvel again, now IDW...and I may have missed one or two....the point is that another company has always been willing to roll the dice and see how trek stories sell.

I would imagine it woudl be a similiar story with trek if Pocket ever moved away from the line. But from what I have read here I think we are far away from that happening.
 
Not only is this movie the last chance for STAR TREK to really evolve, I think its also the last time for the books. I'm going to be blunt; they need to stop with all the star trek books that take place outside of the new movie series...no more TNG-DS9-VOY books...no more New Frontiers and starfleet corps or whatever...and no more Shatner books too...

Really? Why? I have been a faithful reader of the DS9 relaunch, I now count myself a VGR relaunch fan, I just finished watching the entire TNG-era universe get toasted (and loved it!) in the Destiny Trilogy and its follow-ons... and I frankly want to know how those storylines play out.

The only TREK books that should be coming out are those that are based on the new timeline created by this movie. If they were to come out and make the clear, I would buy TREK books again and I think many others would too.

Frankly, if I don't find out what is going on in the Taurus Reach (VNG), I am going to pull my hair out... so, respectfully, I think your idea stinks. Vanguard is, in my book, the best current overall Trek book line (no disrespect to others, just think Vanguard rocks!). Anyone who has read any of my reviews over at TrekMovie also knows my feelings about any other number of series, anthologies, etc. In the Trek Lit community, I would have to say that you are in the minority.

Thats what they should do...no..thats what they must do if they want to save the TREK book world...IMO...

Rob

What makes you think the Trek Book World needs 'saving'? Just because Pocket doesn't make its sales numbers public to you? No. Sorry... they have to be making money on it, or they wouldn't be continuing to commission new stories. You'll get an Abrams-verse Trek novel at some point, I am sure (how long from now, well... that's another question for another thread), and you are more than content to spend your money solely on that... and I'll thank you for it, since it keeps me in my moonlighting job which I heartily enjoy. But I'll also keep reviewing whatever else gets sent my way for as long as I have the time to spare to do it.

Sure, we are going to get good and bad Trek books. We got good and bad episodes, and we will get good and bad movies. That's entertainment. Love it or lump it.

Me, I'm just thrilled to be able to contribue my own little opinion here and there on the Trek novels... which I could credit for so much in my life. Well, that's enough for the lovefest for the moment.

Rob+
 
Pocket Books should stop publishing Trek Lit, and invest that money in developing Time Travel. Then I could go back to 1967 and experience Trek from the beginning, along with everyone else.


Added bonus of when I catch up to the modern day, I'll be too old to give a shit about climate change, and can just waste away my twilight years.

Heh. I'd personally recommend it, It was... fun. ~Grin~
 
Not only is this movie the last chance for STAR TREK to really evolve, I think its also the last time for the books. I'm going to be blunt; they need to stop with all the star trek books that take place outside of the new movie series...no more TNG-DS9-VOY books...no more New Frontiers and starfleet corps or whatever...and no more Shatner books too...

I think that would be, for me, equivalent to Star Trek being dead.

Bad enough they've walked away from the Trekverse we've had all along in the movie.

The only TREK books that should be coming out are those that are based on the new timeline created by this movie.
That'd save me a lot of money, 'cause then I'd quit buying Trek books.

Count me out of supporting any such plan.

Best,
Alex
 
Didn't we have a thread recently when RS made it clear he doesn't even read the books?

I just consider this another of his worthless trolling/garbage threads.

Another thread where, at the onset, generalizations are used to "attempt" a discussion but rarely does the OP want to engage in such a discussion once specifics are brought to the table.

Nevertheless, I'm glad to see others discuss things a bit more thoroughly.
 
Having now seen the film, I'm convinced books from either timeline can co-exist in harmony. No "crossing the streams" required.
 
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