La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Harvey, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. RandyS

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    ^I completely agree with you on Time Tunnel (I enjoy all four of Irwin Allen's 60s Sci-Fi shows and have them all on DVD) and Six Million Dollar Man. I was never a Hawaii 5-0 fan, but I hope you get your wish for that too.
     
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  2. BeatleJWOL

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    Been reading discussion of this set around the internet and it's just fired me up again about the possibilities. In particular I direct my next query to @Indysolo and @Ssosmcin but...

    Is there any, shall we say, logic to be found in actually attempting to splice together from this set the episode "isolated scores", if you will, or is this a fool's errand without having a copy of the laserdiscs and a few months of free time?

    Also a question. Found this particular snippet elsewhere:
    This is in reference to the new TOS additions in the 50th anniversary set. Does this mean that the ENTIRE TOS library was found in improved condition, or does the 50th set just include tracks from the new sources that are on the TOS box in less-than-pristine quality? It was mentioned later in the same thread that "If you have the TOS box, it's easy to put these in iTunes and have a better sounding set."
     
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  3. ZapBrannigan

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    Some library cues in the 15-CD set were taken from secondary sources and have a noticeable hiss. The 50th Anniversary set includes only those TOS cues, now taken from better tapes (at least one generation better) that recently came to light.

    These cues include the kickass fight music in "Journey to Babel," and Kirk's "One Man with a Vision" speech in "Mirror, Mirror." Also the "Caesar and Christ, they had them both" music from the end of "Bread and Circuses." These are some great tracks. The better sound quality is significant and a very welcome development.

    The great majority of the 15 disc set was mastered from the best studio tapes in the first place.
     
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  4. DonIago

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    Hrm...so the 50th anniversary set would allow me to replace certain tracks I already have with higher-quality versions of same? I admit that's a little tempting (though I'd have to check pricing before I could say how tempting).
     
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  5. Mr. Spook

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    Well, having done only "The Corbomite Maneuver" shortly after getting the set, I can tell you - you'll need a LOT of free time. You really don't appreciate the amount of editing they had to do in order to stitch together scores out of existing cues. There is also a lot of repetition that you generally don't notice watching an episode. I was considering doing more, but that single episode pretty much spent my passion for it. Can you imagine doing "Balance of Terror?" Some cues are so sharply cut, they don't even make a good listening experience. Pop in the episode and watch when the Enterprise is firing on the Romulans, the same attack the Centurian is injured. The jarring cuts from "WNMHGB" are realy obvious on their own and a tough mudder to put together.

    And, yeah, you'll need the VHS/Laserdisc prints at the very least to get close to an accurate account of the music.

    However, if none of that discourages you, have at it and good luck! But you'll find that you won't be able to recreate every episode because of how some of the cues were edited together. Some cues were cross-faded to recreate how they originally sounded in their respective premiere episodes. Like "WNMHGB", "Amok Time", "The Cage," etc. At least the previous releases of those scores have many of the cues separate as originally recorded, but the cross-fading makes it tough to use the higher quality cues accurately. A library cue version of "One's Enough" from "The Doomsday Machine" was used in some episodes ("Mirror Mirror" for one) with a "sustain" at the end, fading out before the the triumphant exit music was supposed to come in. That other version is on the set, but it was attached to an alternate version of the exit music, so the sustain isn't there. So you can't recreate the final cues to "Mirror, Mirror" accurately. The drum hit in "Catspaw" as Jackon tumbles off the transporter pad was heard in some episodes on its own ("Obsession"). Also, that same cue ("Captain Kirk") was heard in other episodes without the drum hits, but doesn't exist on the set by itself. So, creating a fully accurate "isolated score" for "The Deadly Years," for example, isn't possible. Unless you can pull the music off one of the home video releases and wash out the dialog and sound effects.

    I hope that isn't totally confusing.
     
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  6. BeatleJWOL

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    Makes sense. So the entirety of the score as first recorded is there, but some of the remixes that were featured in the episodes themselves aren't possible to recreate.

    Considering there's no *cough*digital copies*cough* of the laserdisc or VHS floating around, sounds like a dead-in-the-water project.

    That said, let me ask you this:
    How many completely incorrect music choices are there on the Blu-ray "broadcast mono" track compared to the laserdiscs, which are apparently also not perfect? Just a handful?
     
  7. Mr. Spook

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    I haven't gone through them exhaustively, but as much as I know the sound effects are wrong in the majority of the episodes, the music doesn't seem far off in the mono tracks. Episodes that I noticed the music being "correct" in the mono apposed to the surround mix are "The Menagerie (Part Two)" and "The Deadly Years." "The Cage" restored version has the incorrect version of "Rigel VII" and a bit from "The Man Trap" still on there.

    So, really, I don't know for sure, but most of the music itself it probably close on the mono tracks.
     
  8. BeatleJWOL

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    Sweet. Good enough for me! If you ever make a more detailed analysis, keep me in mind please :D
     
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  9. Indysolo

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    Correct. The majority of the box set came from the first generation tapes. Dubs were only used in the cases of missing material or damage. In the case of the season 2 and 3 library cues, the first generation tapes were found after the box came out.

    Neil
     
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