I know. I keep expecting to see David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson show up.
Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?
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Replace respect with regurgitate and I'll agree with you. Alex Kurtzman has been very respectful of TOS, while still keeping it fresh and doing a good job of modernizing it. While I don't care for every single decision he's made, as someone who saw TIS first run on NBC; SNW is a true spiritual successor to it, and Anson Mount just kills it in the role of Pike, and Ethan Peck really nails it as Spock.
Nostalgia was the only thing Picard season 3 had going for it. The story was absolutely crap, which isn't much of a surprise considering that Terry Matalis gave us Picard season 2 as well.
And twio that really display how bad Terry Matalis is with just mining Nostalgia to the nth degree:
- the Titan wasn't supposed to become the 1701 G in the original script. Even when they filmed the scene, the name of the ship was going to be the USS Picard, which fits the scene as filmed better Imo. But Terry Matallis had to have the kitchen sink thrown in.
- One of the best things of the card season 2 was the final scene between John Luke Picard and Q, and Q's ultimate 'death' <-- but Terry Matallis already had the idea in his head to immediately undo it as he filmed the cue scene that we saw in Picard season 3 right after they filmed Q's death in season 2. * with Terry Matalis telling John Delancy they may not use the scene they filmed for season three.
So yeah the only thing Terry Natallis has going for him, is his ability to mine nostalgia to the nth degree. With respect to future story lines in a possible Legacy series, he's pretty much mined all the TNG Nostalgia to death.
"Respect" is starting to feel like a buzzword at this point. I feel like when it is used it just makes me cringe because no one can tell me what it means. Respect runs the gamut of "faithful recreation" to "capturing the spirit.
Season 3 got some of the faithful recreation part down with the Enterprise D. From what I have read that seems to carry a ton of weight in the "respect" department with Trek in the segments that regard is as a historical period piece. That attention to detail seems to equal respect.
To me, that's not respect. That's good research, and application of that research. That's not automatically recognizing that impact. To me, a better example of respect is Anson Mount reading "Space, the final frontier" speech and pausing a moment and taking in that few people have read this speech for Trek. There was a recognition of a weight to it that he respected. That makes sense to me.
Season 3 is harder to parse though because it gets received positively yet Season 1 is downplayed at times even though elements are the same.
-Secret child of a known character. First Soji, now Jack.
-Mystery box around that character that has to be solved. In this case, it wasn't solved satisfactorily.
-Disrespect towards Picard from another member of Starfleet in Clancy and Shaw.
-Bring back legacy characters only to kill them.
Again, both seasons work for me, but Season 1 gets more attention from me because it says that there is a life outside of Starfleet. To use a pale analogy, Season 1 is like a burger from Texas Roadhouse while Season 3 is closer to a McDonald's hamburger. They are both good and enjoyable and one has a little more zing to it.
Season 1 of PIC is one of those stupid pizza bombs that fancy places serve lit on fire
Season 2 is a Pizza Hutt pizza that turned upside down in the car and slid around in the box
Season 3 is a school cafeteria pizza, with the liquid plastic cheese.
Season 2 is a Pizza Hutt pizza that turned upside down in the car and slid around in the box
Season 3 is a school cafeteria pizza, with the liquid plastic cheese.
Nostalgia works sometimes and season 3 of Picard Worked for more than any other season of Kurtzman Trek so far. As yes that includes the two season of SNW. Which also is heavy in the nostalgia department. ...
Enterprise, Pike, Spock , number one, original colored uniforms. Even if they are only based on their original counterparts.
Also Matalas was sole show runner in season 3. Season 2 he was not. Why many of you cannot see that is beyond me. They just didn't have season 3 completely laid out starting on shooting day one of season 2...
...I hate repeating myself on this issue but it's true.As for respecting what came before? I'm sorry...people can try to twist it anyway they want but SNW has not respected what came before. They have totally changed large parts of it. As a spiritual successor to TOS. Yeah ok I can buy that. But as a faithful prequel. No I don't buy that. Also it doesn't mean I don't enjoy the show on some level.
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Define respect. That's the problem is people define respect in so many different ways. I don't think TMP respected Trek for shit.
But, I do think SNW respects TOS just fine because it takes a similar attitude as TOS did of its time. Not reverence, but acknowledgement that this was a production and entertainment first.
That's basically exactly what PIC season 3 is. It's based on a
I think some of those who celebrate season 3 either find their own secret teenage fic ideas/days represented or they were so annoyed and frustrated by the first two seasons that they were willing to eat up anything that brought the TNG crew back... or all of the above.
Now I'm not knocking fan fic, I'm a fic writer myself. But that's exactly why I know that fic writers aren't necessarily also good television writers. What looks great as a fic just might NOT look good as an actual TV show or season. Especially not if you're like Matalas and unable to dial back the fanboy-isms.
Speaking as someone who did enjoy Picard season 3, even if we were to get a Legacy series, I would prefer someone other than Terry Matalas take the reins.
They nailed the D down to the carpet fibers and the wood paneling.
But slightly messed up the lights on the consoles for Ops and Conn.
That was Geordi's fault.
The dedication plaque was also one of the original props from TNG.
It very much has.
A new viewer who only tuned in to S3 to see the TNG reunion (and who didn't see Picard die in S1) might well have wondered why the ship was being named for an active duty officer.
Kurtzman wants Trek accessible for new viewers. He doesn't want to burden new viewers with a ton of backstory.
Picard S3 was for the TNG fans. It was the last Season. They weren't worried about attracting new Trek viewers with it as anyone who hadn't seen TNG (and I mean the TNG series as Picard S3 had nothing really carried over from Picard S1 or S2.)
Terry Matalas asked to do a big TNG sendoff for the TNG fans, and Kurtzman agreed to that. They even promoted S3 that way specifically.
PIC S3 had pretty good viewership.
What you're saying makes sense in theory, but I think some recent entries into media have shown that when you try to take an established IP and make it appealing to a different demographic, you tend to alienate the core demographic, and they stop watching... while also not really drawing in new viewers.
But yeah, Star Trek is probably way better getting a redo for those "modern audiences" that I hear so much about who apparently don't watch anything...
And on that end, it worked.
But, the actual framing device of the story, and ignoring the past two seasons, worked less so.
The actual discussion in here is very reasonable, but I can't help but laugh when I see the title. KURTZMAN BRUTALLY MURDERED LEGACY!?!!1!1?!??
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