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Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?

To be fair, pretty much every Galaxy class we ever encountered wound up getting blown up eventually, including the D.
While I've made no shortage of jokes about how fragile the Galaxy class is over the years (seriously, just look at how close the D's warp core comes to breaching throughout TNG's run) it should be noted, only three are confirmed destroyed, and those three all have extenuating circumstances. The Yamato fell victim to an alien computer virus, the Odyssey got rammed by another ship and the D was fighting an enemy that had visual access into the engine room during the battle.

That said, some of the alternate destructions of the D are rather questionable. Like the Bozeman clipping a nacelle causes the ship to spin uncontrollably until it explodes. Or in Parallels, the Enterprise from the Borg conquered reality get a phaser hit in the middle of the saucer section and that somehow triggers a warp core breach. Even taking into account that ship would have been in poor shape from three or four years fighting the Borg, that still doesn't make sense.
 
Plenty of melodrama. I mean, when you lead off with "secret son" and have Snidely Shiftlash as your villain you've won the melodrama gold right out of the gate. :lol:
And the memberberry patch....no berry unpicked.
All in the service of a paint by numbers and connect the dots plot that couldn't flummox a kid reading Highlights in a pediatrician's waiting room.
The crying was mostly from fans who got teary eyed with every manipulative callback.
Sounds like you're just angry that they made a well written season that was a good send off to a crew who didn't have one. I personally thought they did the "secret son" thing very well because they actually explained it, it didn't have Picard break down in tears while his other son cries about it as well.

Why? Cause he went to meet his father and was ultimately disappointed in what he said and who he was. In fact it was a scene that resonated with me for several reasons.

When were previous Enterprises ever "underdogs"? They've always been presented as the best Starfleet has.
Have you tried watching the TV show and how jarring it is when the Enterprise, supposedly the greatest and most powerful ship, gets its shit pushed in by an 80 year old Bird of Prey or a Ferengi ship? This is the narrative people are talking about. We see the Galaxy kicking ass only a handful of times and half the time that isn't even the Enterprise-D.
 
they made a well written season
It was written like a kid playing with toys.

"So, like..... Picard and Riker steal a ship with Seven of Nine's help and they go off to rescue Crusher in this Nebula, where they come across this SUPER POWERFUL bad guy ship, and so they go into the Nebula, and it's like Wrath Of Khan, but the SUPER POWERFUL bad guys have a portal gun, and finally, Riker hits it with an asteroid. And they meet up with Ro, but she dies, so they meet up with Geordi, and he has like all the old ships, but they steal the cloak from the Bird of Prey from Voyage Home, and they also find Data. And they find out the bad guys are Changelings and they teamed up with the Borg and they try to Assimilate everyone, but they get beaten by the Enterprise-D, which flies into the Borg MEGA CUBE and blows it up, and Seven is now Captain of the Enterprise and Q is back abd Picard had a son and....."

Riveting.
 
Sounds like you're just angry that they made a well written season that was a good send off to a crew who didn't have one.
I just watched All Good Things this summer. It's AMAZING.

Oh and I'm "angry" (I'm angry about Attack of the Clones, I'm annoyed and disappointed by Picard) because they did not make a well written season.

It was written like a kid playing with toys.
Sometimes that can be GREAT. But it wasn't here.
 
Sounds like you're just angry that they made a well written season that was a good send off to a crew who didn't have one. I personally thought they did the "secret son" thing very well because they actually explained it, it didn't have Picard break down in tears while his other son cries about it as well.

Why? Cause he went to meet his father and was ultimately disappointed in what he said and who he was. In fact it was a scene that reso
Angry? Nah, it’s a TV show. Why would I be upset over something well written? Makes no sense. I’ve the ability to recognize and respect something well done, even in a film or program I might not like for other reasons. This was not one of those. The plotting and writing was basic paint by numbers and connect the dots. The audience was ahead of the writers at every turn.

Having an explanation for a plot point doesn’t make it good. The secret son was soap opera level bad in concept and execution. Dragging Bev into it made it worse.

“Crying”? That still your go to? Might wanna get a new horse.
Have you tried watching the TV show and how jarring it is when the Enterprise, supposedly the greatest and most powerful ship, gets its shit pushed in by an 80 year old Bird of Prey or a Ferengi ship? This is the narrative people are talking about. We see the Galaxy kicking ass only a handful of times
It was dumb there. Ridiculous to think the a Galaxy can “get its shit punched in” by any Bird of Prey.
 
Sometimes that can be GREAT. But it wasn't here.
I've found exclusive footage of Terry Matalas plotting out Season 3 of Picard.
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Sounds like you're just angry that they made a well written season that was a good send off to a crew who didn't have one.

Actually, they did have one. All Good Things was a great send-off for the TNG crew, far better than Endgame and TATV. But then Paramount decided that these people needed to pick up where the aging cast of TOS left off: the big screen. And after four films of diminishing returns, we got to the shitshow that was Nemesis. If they had just stopped with AGT, everything would have been fine. But they chose to jump the shark instead.
 
Have you tried watching the TV show and how jarring it is when the Enterprise, supposedly the greatest and most powerful ship, gets its shit pushed in by an 80 year old Bird of Prey or a Ferengi ship? This is the narrative people are talking about. We see the Galaxy kicking ass only a handful of times and half the time that isn't even the Enterprise-D.

So, the only way to rectify it was to shit on the name?
 
It was written like a kid playing with toys.

"So, like..... Picard and Riker steal a ship with Seven of Nine's help and they go off to rescue Crusher in this Nebula, where they come across this SUPER POWERFUL bad guy ship, and so they go into the Nebula, and it's like Wrath Of Khan, but the SUPER POWERFUL bad guys have a portal gun, and finally, Riker hits it with an asteroid. And they meet up with Ro, but she dies, so they meet up with Geordi, and he has like all the old ships, but they steal the cloak from the Bird of Prey from Voyage Home, and they also find Data. And they find out the bad guys are Changelings and they teamed up with the Borg and they try to Assimilate everyone, but they get beaten by the Enterprise-D, which flies into the Borg MEGA CUBE and blows it up, and Seven is now Captain of the Enterprise and Q is back abd Picard had a son and....."

Riveting.
I always think back on something Rene Echevarria said in the documentaries on the TNG blu-rays. The writing staff would - very often - turn down pitches and scripts from freelancers that featured Famous Antagonist Race X and Famous Antagonist Race Y hooking up to become the new Big Bad in the quadrant.

And guess what plot "twist" Lord Matalas pulls in his fanfic?
 
It was written like a kid playing with toys.
It was fanfic.
Season 3 is so similar to fan fics I wrote when I was twelve that I now feel retroactively ashamed of what I wrote back then. Hell, even the season's whole thing of pilfering music from the franchise's greatest musical hits is exactly how I imagined hypothetical movie versions of my fan fics.

I don't know if I should feel pride that at twelve I apparently knew how to put together "the greatest season ever" or shame that an actual professional production that actually aired on television is so similar to something a twelve year old would imagine.
 
To be fair, pretty much every Galaxy class we ever encountered wound up getting blown up eventually, including the D. And while the Galaxy class Syracuse may not have blown up, her saucer section seems to have been rendered inoperable at some point. The Enterprise D/Syracuse hybrid maybe the only Galaxy class still operable by 2501, only 35 years after the class launched!

There were a lot of Galaxy classes in the Dominion War. None of them we saw were destroyed
 
There were a lot of Galaxy classes in the Dominion War. None of them we saw were destroyed

They specifically destroyed a Galaxy class ship (the Odyssey) just to show how tough the Dominion was.
I always think back on something Rene Echevarria said in the documentaries on the TNG blu-rays. The writing staff would - very often - turn down pitches and scripts from freelancers that featured Famous Antagonist Race X and Famous Antagonist Race Y hooking up to become the new Big Bad in the quadrant.

And guess what plot "twist" Lord Matalas pulls in his fanfic?

To be fair, they were working on a series where every episode had to be fairly standalone and unique to each other where the status quo couldn't really change too drastically, especially once other series were in play at the same time.

Picard lived on it's own and could change the status quo with no repercussions of future stories or other series to be concerned with.
 
They specifically destroyed a Galaxy class ship (the Odyssey) just to show how tough the Dominion was

Yes one Galaxy class before the war. So not like Turtletrekker said, "To be fair, pretty much every Galaxy class we ever encountered wound up getting blown up eventually,".
 
something well written? Makes no sense. I’ve the ability to recognize and respect something well done, even in a film or program I might not like for other reasons. This was not one of those. The plotting and writing was basic paint by numbers and connect the dots. The audience was ahead of the writers at every turn.
Indeed. This idea of anger is one I grow confused by. I'm more annoyed by some of the repeated use of Season 1 tropes that are acceptable here because it hits the right feels.
 
Season 3 is so similar to fan fics I wrote when I was twelve that I now feel retroactively ashamed of what I wrote back then. Hell, even the season's whole thing of pilfering music from the franchise's greatest musical hits is exactly how I imagined hypothetical movie versions of my fan fics.

I don't know if I should feel pride that at twelve I apparently knew how to put together "the greatest season ever" or shame that an actual professional production that actually aired on television is so similar to something a twelve year old would imagine.
Someone once said, it might have been comic book writer Len Wein, the first thing you'd write as a fan should be the last thing you'd write as a professional. (paraphrased)
 
Season 3 is so similar to fan fics I wrote when I was twelve that I now feel retroactively ashamed of what I wrote back then. Hell, even the season's whole thing of pilfering music from the franchise's greatest musical hits is exactly how I imagined hypothetical movie versions of my fan fics.

I don't know if I should feel pride that at twelve I apparently knew how to put together "the greatest season ever" or shame that an actual professional production that actually aired on television is so similar to something a twelve year old would imagine.

You should think of it as even a twelve-year-old could have written something better than NEM.
 
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