Klingons

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

Regarding the deleted scenes from ST XI of the Klingons, what's the Klingon language like? Is it consistent with how it's been established by Marc Okrand in past Trek? I heard it, but I couldn't tell whether or not it was the same as before.

I assume it's the same Klingon (I only know four Klingon words), since Marc Okrand was brought on board and created an entire Romulan language for the film, that went mostly unused. Originally many of the scenes on the Narada were gonna be spoken in Romulan and subtitled.
All you hear of Romulan in the final film is a bit of background computer chatter in when Robau is brought to Nero.

 

[EJA]

I just rewatched the deleted sequence and got out the Klingon Dictionary, and the words and phrases don't appear to match up. For example, when the Klingon guards are interrogating the alien prisoner, one of them shouts "Who?" at him (as in "Who gave you these"), which in Klingonese would be "'Iv." It sounded like something totally different in the film. It was the same when he said "Tell us", which would normally be "ghoja'" - which it wasn't. If Okrand was involved here, you'd think he would have stuck to what he'd previously established about the language.

 

[CorporalClegg]

^The deleted scene with Garber (Nero's interrogator) is on YouTube in HD, in case you've only got the one-disc DVD.

Thanks. I hadn't seen that.

Boy, Darth Vader much?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

^I never thought of Vader. Someone suggested that the Klingon trenchcoat/helmet look may have been devised to easily build massive CG armies of Klingon soldiers for a future film.

I just rewatched the deleted sequence and got out the Klingon Dictionary, and the words and phrases don't appear to match up. For example, when the Klingon guards are interrogating the alien prisoner, one of them shouts "Who?" at him (as in "Who gave you these"), which in Klingonese would be "'Iv." It sounded like something totally different in the film. It was the same when he said "Tell us", which would normally be "ghoja'" - which it wasn't. If Okrand was involved here, you'd think he would have stuck to what he'd previously established about the language.

I guess it could be another Klingon language? There are, like, a billion human languages on earth. There's already older, alternate Klingon and Romulan/Rihannsu languages from 80's novels.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

I suspect the Klingon language is probably regional.

Marc Okrand probably worked to translate, and may have introduced new words or terms for fun.

Another possibility may be that the deleted scene was filmed with slightly different dialogue than the subtitles.

 

[Set Harth]

Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

All you hear of Romulan in the final film is a bit of background computer chatter in when Robau is brought to Nero.

It sounded like Russian to me.

 

[Peter the Younger]

It all depends which Klingons show up. If it's the vicious, cunning warriors who are hell-bent on conquering the galaxy, then great. If they're the rowdy biker/hair metal rejects who can't string two sentences together without using the word "honor", then no.

As for the ridges, I'd say understated ridges for the main Klingon characters, and a mix of ridges and smooth foreheads in the background extras. Although J.J. will probably fire anybody who brings up such details, so I doubt we'll get that.

 

[Klingon Empire]

I want some well read, debonair Klingons like in ST:VI. Otherwise, I'm over them.

I agree with this.

 

[Lord Garth]

^ You're over your own people Klingon Empire?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Perhaps he plans on abdicating.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

All you hear of Romulan in the final film is a bit of background computer chatter in when Robau is brought to Nero.

It sounded like Russian to me.

Also, Ayel speaks Romulan once when he goes to Nero's quarters to bring him to the bridge (just before Spock is due to appear).

 

[I am not Spock]

Like em or loathe them, for the casual viewer, the Klingons are an integral part of Star Trek.

Without Vader, it aint Star Wars

Without the Daleks, it aint Dr Who

Without Klingons... you get the idea.

 

[F. King Daniel]

All you hear of Romulan in the final film is a bit of background computer chatter in when Robau is brought to Nero.

It sounded like Russian to me.

Also, Ayel speaks Romulan once when he goes to Nero's quarters to bring him to the bridge (just before Spock is due to appear).

Yeah, that's where Ayel calls him "Prod Nero" .

I turned on the commentary for that bit and they go, "what's a Prod?" "I think he means Praetor" or something like that.

I kinda like the idea that it's his first name:

"Hi Christopher, I'm Prod"

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Like em or loathe them, for the casual viewer, the Klingons are an integral part of Star Trek.

Without Vader, it aint Star Wars

Without the Daleks, it aint Dr Who

Without Klingons... you get the idea.

Frankly, I'm sick of both Klingons and Daleks. Boy, the Doctor kills his own people and whatnot to destroy the Daleks, but there's just no getting rid of them! It's annoying.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?

Originally many of the scenes on the Narada were gonna be spoken in Romulan and subtitled.
All you hear of Romulan in the final film is a bit of background computer chatter in when Robau is brought to Nero.

WOW, that would have been very intense to have all the Romulan subtitled. I wish they had gone that way.

 

[DonIago]

OTOH, I can completely understand why they didn't.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

OTOH, I can completely understand why they didn't.

Why? Because it looks wanky to non fans? Because it distracts from the action?

 

[DonIago]

Because the general public was going to see a Star Trek movie, not a foreign language film.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Because the general public was going to see a Star Trek movie, not a foreign language film.

Well I am the "general public" and I wouldn't mind subtitles in a film that was mainly in English. I like hearing the original language.

 

[DonIago]

Actually, the mere fact that you're a long-term poster on this board suggests that you're -not- among what TPTB would consider the "general public".