Fan reactions to Starfleet Academy's female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character

[DSG2k]

I don't, and don't call me Shirley.

I can't not like this.

Ah, so all the changes in Andorian makeup from TOS to the movies to the Berman era and beyond will be explained someday, and it won't just be that someone made a change to the makeup, it will literally be explained later. Good to know.

That is a very odd rebuttal attempt, if you think about it.

1. It tacitly acknowledges that the TMP Klingon argument is indeed flawed.
2. It acknowledges that makeup changes have been explained in the Original Universe and thus there may be an explanation therein.
3. It suggests that the Discoverse folks who are explicitly doing "retcon" of aliens in a "reimagine" of Trek (e.g. Akiva Goldsman saying he had the opportunity to retcon the Gorn) are going to trouble themselves to explain every change they've made to the appearance of aliens (or anything else).

in fairness, the Discoverse folks did throw in an unbelievable line about hair being added to the Klingons as a wartime baldness thing (despite the fact that everybody was already bald before the war and that they utterly skipped over deleting skull volume and all the other differences), so I suppose it's possible that at some point they might choose to toss in a line about the wrinkle-faced gnarly-eared sagittal-crested Ferengi (or his Dopterian great-uncle or something, since they like to point to mixes), but I rather doubt it.

As for the Andorians, it would have been nice had the Aenar been the TNG holodeck look, with the seeming larger noggin and such to allow for extra cranial volume for the telepathic stuff, but overall the changes over time are far, far less noteworthy than the TMP Klingon change that folks try to use to handwave any retcon by current productions.

 

[Steve Roby]

1. It tacitly acknowledges that the TMP Klingon argument is indeed flawed.
2. It acknowledges that makeup changes have been explained in the Original Universe and thus there may be an explanation therein.
3. It suggests that the Discoverse folks who are explicitly doing "retcon" of aliens in a "reimagine" of Trek (e.g. Akiva Goldsman saying he had the opportunity to retcon the Gorn) are going to trouble themselves to explain every change they've made to the appearance of aliens (or anything else).

If that's how you choose to read it, good for you. But as far as I'm concerned, there's no real need for explanations of makeup changes, and the "Original Universe" and the "Discoverse" are the same thing.

 

[DigificWriter]

There's no such thing as the 'Discoverse'.

 

[Tuskin38]

If that's how you choose to read it, good for you. But as far as I'm concerned, there's no real need for explanations of makeup changes, and the "Original Universe" and the "Discoverse" are the same thing.

Don't bother arguing with them.

 

[DSG2k]

There's no such thing as the 'Discoverse'.

Okay, then, you may reinterpret that as merely being a reference to the new production folks who differ from those in charge until 2005.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Okay, then, you may reinterpret that as merely being a reference to the new production folks who differ from those in charge until 2005.

There is no such thing as the "Discoverse".

 

[Enterprise1701]

This. How many different Klingons have we seen?

Only 1 handsome style.

 

[fireproof78]

Only 1 handsome style.

True. Into Darkness Klingon was fantastic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This. How many different Klingons have we seen?

Well....

 

[Mudd]

The only substantial difference between the TNG and Picard Ferengi is removing the merging of the brow crest and the upper ear cartilage.

 

[DSG2k]

The only substantial difference between the TNG and Picard Ferengi is removing the merging of the brow crest and the upper ear cartilage.

(Sigh)

If one actually lists the differences instead of just glancing it gets lengthy, from the chin wrinkles all the way up to the sagittal crest.

 

[DSG2k]

There is no such thing as the "Discoverse".

You probably refer to it as the "Prime" universe/timeline/whatever, and that's okay. Enjoy what you like.

 

[Mudd]

(Sigh)

The other differences are trivial refinements.

Spock's ears were different in every movie. Peck's Spock has ears more like TOS than any of those.

 

[BillJ]

If one actually lists the differences instead of just glancing it gets lengthy, from the chin wrinkles all the way up to the sagittal crest.

You do realize that most folks watch these things for their entertainment value, not to count the number of warts on any given species ass?

 

[DSG2k]

The other differences are trivial refinements.

Spock's ears were different in every movie. Peck's Spock has ears more like TOS than any of those.

"Refinement" is the evolution of Quark or Worf or Odo over their respective runs. At no point should "refinement" spill over into "is that the new version of species X or a half-breed or what?"

In any case, "list of changes" and "list of changes I have decided to consider" are not the same, but, again, enjoy what you like.

 

[DSG2k]

You do realize that most folks watch these things for their entertainment value, not to count the number of warts on any given species ass?

Then why is "but muh TMP Klingons" even a thing? Obviously, people notice things. Star Trek fans are notorious for noticing things. I realize that some of the current fandom and producers would prefer we not notice so much, but "hey stop noticing things" seems like it isn't a 'me' problem, not to put too fine a point on it.

 

[BillJ]

Then why is "but muh TMP Klingons" even a thing?

Because it was a complete recreation of the original, same thing with the Gorn and, to a lesser extent, the Trill. People aren't going to pay too much attention to the details as long as the broad strokes are right.

 

[The Wormhole]

the Klingon change literally got explained later,

Anyone who thinks TMP's changes to the Klingons are okay because it got explained twenty-five years later owes it to themselves to wait twenty-five years before complaining about the Disco Klingons or any other changed alien appearance.

 

[Steve Roby]

Anyone who thinks TMP's changes to the Klingons are okay because it got explained twenty-five years later owes it to themselves

and, some might suggest, to us

to wait twenty-five years before complaining about the Disco Klingons or any other changed alien appearance.

 

[DSG2k]

Anyone who thinks TMP's changes to the Klingons are okay because it got explained twenty-five years later owes it to themselves to wait twenty-five years before complaining about the Disco Klingons or any other changed alien appearance.

Anyone who thinks the current production team is likely to bother explaining all of the changes to multiple species (when they've only laughably attempted to explain their previous cheap-out on Klingon hair so far) should probably just learn to live with the existence of questions from fans who notice things . . . especially at the rate at which the production likes to change things for no apparent reason.