DVD subtitles are great. I never picked up what was being shouted in that scene before either.
Klingon Ambassador Scene in ST IV
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I always laugh when I see the mistakes from dialog to the subtitles.
I think Nimoy and his writers were planting seeds for something that never came about. I really feel now that TFF is TLJ of the Trek movie franchise. It took a continuing story completely off its track and sent it off in some wild tangent. TWOK, TSFS, TVH and TUC play out as one story. I always feel like we missed a part where TFF is.
On another note, when I saw TVH in '86, a friend I went with rolled her eyes at the first scene and said "why are they STILL talking about that Genesis thing- can't they move on already?"
On another note, when I saw TVH in '86, a friend I went with rolled her eyes at the first scene and said "why are they STILL talking about that Genesis thing- can't they move on already?"
Why? The Doctor never got a name.
One of the novelizations called him Kamarag. Non-canon, but it works for me.
I just think he, General Korrd, and Captain Klaa are all related, seeing as they all have the same forehead pattern.
I just think he, General Korrd, and Captain Klaa are all related, seeing as they all have the same forehead pattern.
My favourite is on Robert Wise's commentary on the TMP DE DVD. The gala premiere's after-party "at the Swiss Odeon", instead of "at The Smithsonian".
Mine comes from DS9’s “Emissary” where Kai Opaka says ‘pagh’ and the subtitles say ‘power.’ Makes it sound like Opaka briefly acquired a thick American Southern accent
That was a trinity moment. That thing had people rightly scared
I always read this whole thing as Klingon's bringing their fear of Genesis down to a personification - which is pretty much how we do things in real life.
Kirk was tied up in the Genesis program and then he blew up a Klingon crew (and diplomatically speaking, it's better to shout about that than admit they were there being thugs themselves).
I can only imagine Genesis, if you're an enemy of the Federation, appearing very much as a WMD programme they're dressing up and then doing their best to hide from the galaxy. The Genesis planet blowing up afterward would only really drive that impression further - "Look, they said it was creating new life, but it literally actually blew the planet up!"
Kirk was tied up in the Genesis program and then he blew up a Klingon crew (and diplomatically speaking, it's better to shout about that than admit they were there being thugs themselves).
I can only imagine Genesis, if you're an enemy of the Federation, appearing very much as a WMD programme they're dressing up and then doing their best to hide from the galaxy. The Genesis planet blowing up afterward would only really drive that impression further - "Look, they said it was creating new life, but it literally actually blew the planet up!"
[sobbing mathematically]
The main problem is where he got the film of what happened from, pretty sure if the enterprise had a black box it would have been destroyed either with the enterprise blowing up or subsequent destruction of the genesis planet
He got it from the database of 80´s Naivity Productions.
He rented Star Trek III from Space iTunes.
I always liked the Klingon Ambassador. It shows that the Klingons are still somewhat well rounded and that the Klingons might be seeing the Federation as a legitimate threat or equal in war to deal with somewhat candidly. Unlike in the 2260s where it seemed like the Klingons were more 'yea? And what are you going to do about it?'
It's the future. The Enterprise computer could have just automatically uploaded the information to Starfleet's galactic server just before destruction.
Of course, this being the future, everything we see could also be an artist's impression of what happened, a trivial little visual simulation for the benefit of the court. But we don't really have to go that route.
All the events are seen from the Klingon POV, basically: the boarding at the eye level of the boarding party, the explosion from the outside. The data would probably be of Klingon origin, then, found in the databanks of the BoP.
The BoP survived the incident and was in the hands of Kirk. The briefing on Genesis, now updated with narration by Kirk himself, is also something Kirk would be in possession of. So the issue of interest is how all this material went from Kirk to the courtroom. Might have been Kirk sent it, to defend his case in absentia. Might have been the Klingons then requested its use; might be they intercepted what Kirk sent and used it without asking anybody pretty please.
Timo Saloniemi
All the events are seen from the Klingon POV, basically: the boarding at the eye level of the boarding party, the explosion from the outside. The data would probably be of Klingon origin, then, found in the databanks of the BoP.
The BoP survived the incident and was in the hands of Kirk. The briefing on Genesis, now updated with narration by Kirk himself, is also something Kirk would be in possession of. So the issue of interest is how all this material went from Kirk to the courtroom. Might have been Kirk sent it, to defend his case in absentia. Might have been the Klingons then requested its use; might be they intercepted what Kirk sent and used it without asking anybody pretty please.
Timo Saloniemi
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