So you're going to penalize Kirsten Beyer for writing the best Voyager fiction that has ever been published. Nice.
Hey, she can refuse to buy a VOY book for whatever reason she wants. It's not like an author or publisher is entitled to her money.
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Hey, she can refuse to buy a VOY book for whatever reason she wants. It's not like an author or publisher is entitled to her money.
^ No kidding.
And what else would you recommend she does to demonstrate her displeasure with the line?
Pocket is a business. The only way to discourage them is to not give them money.
Ya, that'll show 'em. You certainly know how to teach Pocket a lesson they'll not soon forget.
And what else would you recommend she does to demonstrate her displeasure with the line?
Pocket is a business. The only way to discourage them is to not give them money.
If Pocket were to decide to resurrect Janeway, I profoundly doubt it'd be because a smattering of single-character fans chose not to buy the books. Pocket's Star Trek line is a massive franchise encompassing many series and dozens of regular characters. The number of book buyers for whom Kathryn Janeway is the one and only reason for reading Trek novels is bound to be a minuscule percentage of the whole.
Frankly, I bet if Janeway were resurrected, the number of readers who'd stop buying the novels because they were disgusted by another use of the Magic Reset Button to render death trivial would probably cancel out the number of readers who were formerly boycotting them due to Janeway being still dead.
Frankly, I bet if Janeway were resurrected, the number of readers who'd stop buying the novels because they were disgusted by another use of the Magic Reset Button to render death trivial would probably cancel out the number of readers who were formerly boycotting them due to Janeway being still dead.
^ No kidding.
Ya, that'll show 'em. You certainly know how to teach Pocket a lesson they'll not soon forget.
And what else would you recommend she does to demonstrate her displeasure with the line?
Pocket is a business. The only way to discourage them is to not give them money.
OK, but when you end up liking Children of the Storm, you'll still have given Kirsten the short end of the stick.
Kirsten's a good author who does quality work and knows how to handle Voyager. Over the past three books she's elevated herself to "buy because her name is on the cover" status in my opinion.
With so many authors around here and the level of interaction we get, I for one have a new appreciation for both the books and the trade and I have no problem paying up for the latest Trek novel
I like the show and have no qualms about paying the piper.
What makes you think that people who want her back are "single-character fans"? I didn't buy dozens of TNG, DS9, and TOS novels over the years just to read about Janeway. I didn't buy all of the SNW collections or TNG episode guides or the Atlas of the Federation, etc., because I wanted to read about Janeway. I have spent thousands of dollars buying PB books over the years--and there is no way I could have spent a fraction of that on books that just featured Janeway.
I am upset because one editor (since fired) and apparently all of the writers of the Trek franchise have removed a singularly inspirational female captain from the mix for no justifiable reason. Janeway's story was not "over," as the above-mentioned editor claimed; it hadn't even been told--at least as well as it could have been by the current VOY writer. I think the ongoing outcry about this might just make them rethink how they treat characters who originate from the televised series.
I think the big problem at PB is their decision, so many years ago, to entangle the crews of the three concurrent series in a single plot. What happens in a VOY novel affects the TNG and DS9 novels, and vice versa. Their editorial decision has, in effect, painted them into a corner and severely limited the options that writers have open to them. Therefore, bringing Janeway back resonates through all the Destiny novels and other post-"Before Dishonor" novels. That is what a bad decision looks like.
As for Star Trek readers becoming upset about another use the reset button, I must respectfully disagree. The reset button is a long tradition in Trek, dating back to the 60's and was used in every series, as needed. I can't believe that readers would be that picky if her return were done well. Some people say that "Year of Hell," is the best episode of Voyager, and yet it never happened, thanks to the reset button. In fact, a creative writer who is willing to think outside the box (like Beyer, I believe) can bring Janeway back without using a reset button because, don't forget, she is with the Q.
For the record, I've stopped buying all the PB books I used to enjoy because I am upset with Janeway's treatment (and I'm not too happy with what they've done to Sisko, either). It is a big franchise, and it's should be big enough to make more than the same old rank and file reader happy.
she's not with the Q. she's DEAD. D.E.A.D. blown to smithereens. waporised as Chekov would say.
and Margerat Clark wasn't fired. she was let go as part of a downsizing.
and if you think pocket takes any notice of a bunch of fans bitching on the internet, you're more deluded than i thought.
that's not a flame, that's an opinion - anyone who thinks pocket pay attention to fans online whether they're praising or blasting books is deluded.
and Margerat Clark wasn't fired. she was let go as part of a downsizing.
and if you think pocket takes any notice of a bunch of fans bitching on the internet, you're more deluded than i thought.
that's not a flame, that's an opinion - anyone who thinks pocket pay attention to fans online whether they're praising or blasting books is deluded.
I think the big problem at PB is their decision, so many years ago, to entangle the crews of the three concurrent series in a single plot. That is what a bad decision looks like.
That ship long ago sailed, and it weren't Pocket what did it.
The effects of one show happening to another's crew were already happening.
For example, the events that created Tom Riker led to his appearing on DS9 and stealing Defiant (and revealing to the audience the hints of a massive game-changing event).
Worf's transferral to DS9 was felt when Defiant appeared in First Contact. Actually, Worf being on DS9 in general.
The Dominion War was a plot point of both Insurrection and Nemesis. Also, the Cardassians wiping out the Maquis was a plot point on Voyager and led Torres to be suicidal.
The creator of Voyager's EMH guest-starred on DS9, and of course Reg Barclay and Deanna Troi guest-starred on Voyager.
So the intertwining of the series was already well-established; you can argue that Pocket's incresed that, of course.
See. This is what troubles me more than anything... how the Janeway fans have decided to rewrite history to back their collective point.
Pocket removed a single, female Admiral who was sitting in San Francisco from the mix. The fact is the decision to make her an Admiral and place her in San Francisco was done by Rick Berman in a live-action film. She had already been disconnected from Voyager by 'the powers that be'.
Plus, who are you to decide whether Janeway's story was done or not?
I also think you guys are working in reverse. Not buying the novels may or may not hurt Pocket. But constantly complaining only gives them free publicity. I would've never bought Full Circle to begin with if not for the outcry about Janeway not being involved. For me, Voyager had ended with Homecoming/The Farther Shore and I hadn't had any interest in it following that.
This is an important distinction to make. Neither Marco nor Margaret were fired. They, along with many other editorial types, were laid off because the publishing industry was hit hard by the downturn in the economy.
Ya, that'll show 'em. You certainly know how to teach Pocket a lesson they'll not soon forget.
I'm not ceasing buying Treklit to teach anyone a lesson. I have re-evaluated my new purchasing of Treklit after having bought Relaunch and just about everything else new for quite some years now. I had reasons for buying my Treklit new and now I have reasons for no longer doing so.
eh, her being an Admiral doesn't automatically disconnect her from anything. See: Kirk.
It's a readers opinion. If they kill off Picard in the next TNG book and people claim that after a gazillion books with Picard adventures his story wasn't "done" (perhaps because he has a child now) that will be their opinion. Janeway has gotten far less print time and far less story than Sisko, Picard and even Archer. Many people LOVE this character and would like to read more of her life post Voyager's return. Those that don't love her will skip those books or put them on the bottom of the pile like I do with Riker.
I also think you guys are working in reverse. Not buying the novels may or may not hurt Pocket. But constantly complaining only gives them free publicity. I would've never bought Full Circle to begin with if not for the outcry about Janeway not being involved. For me, Voyager had ended with Homecoming/The Farther Shore and I hadn't had any interest in it following that.
Good. Hopefully all this free publicity and people like you reading Voyager when they wouldn't have otherwise will make the book that features her return a best seller.
Janeway got "Mosaic", a hardcover biographical novel, written by the woman who had the most influence over the character's canonical backstory, and material created for the book made it into canon.
You could argue that no other captain got such treatment. Pike recently got "Burning Dreams", but that was a MMPB.
That is true and a very good book it was too. But it wasn't relaunch. I do want to know what happened to the characters after the shows ended and that includes seeing Janeway get older, possibly marry, have adventures etc.. like Picard.
My favorite relaunch has been DS9, great character development for many of them and great histories unfolding.
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Sisko's appearances, in books written after DS9 was finished:
Millennium Trilogy (set during the series)
Hollow Men (set during the series)
Unity
Worlds of DS9: Bajor
Fearful Symmetry (briefly)
The Soul Key (briefly)
Rough Beasts of Empire
Archer's:
Last Full Measure (set during the series)
The Good That Men Do
Kobayashi Maru
Romulan War #1
Janeway's:
String Theory Trilogy (set during the series)
Places of Exile (alternate universe, but same character)
The Needs Of The Many (alternate universe, but same character)
Homecoming
The Farther Shore
Old Wounds
Enemy Of My Enemy
A Time To Kill (briefly)
Articles Of The Federation (briefly)
Death In Winter (briefly)
Resistance (briefly, I think)
Q&A (briefly)
Before Dishonor
Full Circle
And that's just off the top of my head. I think there are actually more.
Sure, you have a point with Picard, but I don't think it's unexpected to have the most popular Trek series end up getting more books. And even with him, if you only count things written after Nemesis, it's pretty close.
This was a few pages back, but I didn't see anyone bring it up, so:
You don't think exploring the differing reactions her family had to her death was a writing opportunity? You don't think exploring how a character's influence on her crew isn't a valid writing opportunity?
The only way someone can have any meaningful effect is by physically being there?
That's absurd. A character can affect a story in more ways than being in the room and talking.
You don't think exploring the differing reactions her family had to her death was a writing opportunity? You don't think exploring how a character's influence on her crew isn't a valid writing opportunity?
The only way someone can have any meaningful effect is by physically being there?
That's absurd. A character can affect a story in more ways than being in the room and talking.
Perhaps I was wrong about Sisko, I guess his presence was always there LOL!
"Briefly" is just that, not a continuation of the story.
"Briefly" is just that, not a continuation of the story.
^ I mean, sure, but even if you take out all the "briefly"s, they're pretty much the same.
Again, it took 10 books of DS9 relaunch before Sisko came back. If Janeway isn't back by the 10th VOY relaunch book starting from Full Circle, in some form, I'll personally bake you a pie.
Again, it took 10 books of DS9 relaunch before Sisko came back. If Janeway isn't back by the 10th VOY relaunch book starting from Full Circle, in some form, I'll personally bake you a pie.
I hope to never eat that pie!
I was always confused as to why people thought Sisko was dead after What We Leave Behind. People still talk about how he died in the finale. It never entered my head that this was the case. That's another topic though.
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