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Kirk's quarters

There's no clear indication on the identity of the TMP quarters that Kirk uses. Be they the CO's or a visiting flag officer's or dignitary's, they'd be empty of personal effects at that time and thus unidentifiable. All we can say is that they match Kirk's TOS quarters in size... And that Scotty's comment in "Relics" suggests there were no TOS or TOS movie quarters as large as the ones he got aboard the E-D, that is, as large as Riker's, which ain't much bigger than what Kirk had in TOS. And that Elaan of Troyius initially displaced Uhura from her cabin, suggesting the TOS ship had limited facilities for visitors overall.

Production-wise, Spock's quarters in ST2 appear to have been a redress of Kirk's. OTOH, they were shot so that only the inner chamber was shown - there's only one angle on Kirk towards the door end of the room, plus some reflections on Spock's mirror, and neither of them reveals the possible presence of the outer chamber. So yes, we could argue that if Spock's quarters were those of a regular CO, then they would match those of Kirk in ST6.

Spock's ST6 quarters in turn were a more cramped-looking redress of Kirk's, it seems: the shower stall became the door, and there were more extensive support frames. Which is odd if Spock was supposed to be a visiting diplomat, although perhaps more excusable if he was supposed to be the ship's XO or SO.

In any case, it's very odd that these ST6 quarters would be smaller than their TOS equivalents. But we could argue that since the crew is shown to be hastily assembled for the mission, rather than simply continuing well-established service, their cabins were hastily reshuffled as well - possibly to accommodate the Klingons in the most luxurious rooms, were such a need to arise?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Production-wise, Spock's quarters in ST2 appear to have been a redress of Kirk's. OTOH, they were shot so that only the inner chamber was shown - there's only one angle on Kirk towards the door end of the room, plus some reflections on Spock's mirror, and neither of them reveals the possible presence of the outer chamber. So yes, we could argue that if Spock's quarters were those of a regular CO, then they would match those of Kirk in ST6.

The antechamber to Spock's quarters is briefly seen in TSFS, when Kirk responds to the alarm.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0163.jpg

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0174.jpg

In any case, it's very odd that these ST6 quarters would be smaller than their TOS equivalents. But we could argue that since the crew is shown to be hastily assembled for the mission, rather than simply continuing well-established service, their cabins were hastily reshuffled as well - possibly to accommodate the Klingons in the most luxurious rooms, were such a need to arise?

Timo Saloniemi

As for the cabins in TUC, I just chalk it up to Meyer wanting to turn the Enterprise into a submarine. He's gone on record stating that he believes drama plays better in tighter spaces like a sub.
 
Faltorpan,

Thanks, if you need someone to digitize them, let me know. I'd be happy to do it.

3D
 
Thanks, but my collection cost a small mint (from this middle-class cheapskate's perspective, anyway), so I'm hesitant to part with them even briefly.

How would you recommend that I digitize them? They're rather large.
 
I wonder what the small doorway leading out of Kirk's TMP quarters next to the 'screen' was? IIRC, Shane Johnson put a dining booth there.
 
Thanks, FalTorPan. That's good stuff. From what SJ says, it seems the booth had been there the whole time. Perhaps those plans were before it was added?
 
Just by watching the films, one can tell that various sets constructed for TMP were modified for TWOK. It's likely that this was one of those modifications.
 
Faltorpan,

I don't know where you are located, there are a few options depending on the condition and sizes of the drawings you have.

FedexOffice ( Formerly Kinkos ) often have large format scanners usually black and white around here, but I am sure in the larger markets they have upgraded to color. These can take 36" wide by any length original and then they can burn the scans to DVD, or put them on flash drives or other portable media. These units can usually go between 300 and 600 ppi. I have scanned some fairly delicate drawings with these pieces of equipment, but you have to be careful as jams/missfeeds can happen and damage the originals.

Another option is to set up a high resolution digital camera and essentially create a large format copy stand. This might be best if the drawings are very very delicate (already torn) or in color (and the available large format scanners are only black and white), you just want to make sure your lighting is even and that the drawings are stretched out and as flat as possible to get good reproductions.

You might want to check with any local resellers of Oce large format copy equipment. They should have some demonstration equipment in house and might be willing to let you scan your sheets for archival purposes.


I hope that helps,


3D
 
Thanks for the tips. One of these days I might actually have time to follow them. (D'oh on being swamped for the next several months...)
 
Not sure if this helps...
Here's a shot of my re-creation of Kirk's cabin. It's for an old mod I made for the Star Wars: Mysteries of the Sith game:
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What I can't recall off the top of my head was whether Kirk's quarters in TMP were Decker's to begin with, the full interior of Capt. Spock's quarters was revealed.

I've wondered the same thing. Kirk's quarters were located on deck 5 during the five-year mission. They were most likely kept there as an homage to TOS. But where were Decker's quarters, since he was supposed to be commanding the mission until Kirk showed up at the last minute? We never see them because he spends most of his time on the bridge or roaming the ship with the Ilia Probe. When he encounters the real Ilia after talking with Kirk, he gets into a turbolift to go back to the bridge.

Kirk seems to have kept the same quarters in TWOK despite not being aboard the ship regularly. Presumably Spock allowed him to have them in case he were aboard: the novels suggest that Kirk used the Enterprise as his personal flagship for special missions while he was superintendent of Starfleet Academy. That would explain why he'd still have quarters on the ship and why his command codes for the auto-destruct would be the same as TOS (unless he changed them back off-screen between TWOK and TSFS).

--Sran
 
As for the cabins in TUC, I just chalk it up to Meyer wanting to turn the Enterprise into a submarine. He's gone on record stating that he believes drama plays better in tighter spaces like a sub.

I agree. I don't particularly like Meyer's insistence on treating Federation ships as submarines or mariner ships in outer space. But do agree with the more militaristic tone his movies take on. Roddenberry said he never cared for it, but I think this was more posturing on his part to make Meyer and others who took Star Trek away from him look bad. Why have ranks and duty uniforms if Starfleet isn't a military? Why have court martial hearings and other formal meetings when officers need to be disciplined?

In any case, it seems wrong that Starfleet officers would have apartments aboard a spacecraft of any kind. I can understand it more during TNG's run because there were families on the Enterprise. But Kirk's time didn't see anything like that happen (I don't remember any kids on the ship except for Peter Preston, who was an engineer).

--Sran
 
Roddenberry said he never cared for it, but I think this was more posturing on his part to make Meyer and others who took Star Trek away from him look bad. Why have ranks and duty uniforms if Starfleet isn't a military?

Franz Joseph Schnaubelt's daughter Karen Dick thought the same as you, here is an excerpt of the interview archived at http://www.trekplace.com/fj-kdint01.html :

"Long after the Tech Manual was published (about the time ST:TNG started), Gene Roddenberry made some comment in an interview about how Star Fleet was not a military organization (as FJ's Star Fleet Armed Forces obviously was). My only response to that is: "Yeah, right. That's why they all dress in uniforms and call each other 'Captain' and 'Lieutenant.'"

Almost seems Karen Dick had never heard of the The Salvation Army. Just because you use uniforms and ranks to have an efficient organization doesn't automatically imply that you have to be militaristic, too, IMHO. ;)

Bob
 
Roddenberry said he never cared for it, but I think this was more posturing on his part to make Meyer and others who took Star Trek away from him look bad. Why have ranks and duty uniforms if Starfleet isn't a military?

Franz Joseph Schnaubelt's daughter Karen Dick thought the same as you, here is an excerpt of the interview archived at http://www.trekplace.com/fj-kdint01.html :

"Long after the Tech Manual was published (about the time ST:TNG started), Gene Roddenberry made some comment in an interview about how Star Fleet was not a military organization (as FJ's Star Fleet Armed Forces obviously was). My only response to that is: "Yeah, right. That's why they all dress in uniforms and call each other 'Captain' and 'Lieutenant.'"

Almost seems Karen Dick had never heard of the The Salvation Army. Just because you use uniforms and ranks to have an efficient organization doesn't automatically imply that you have to be militaristic, too, IMHO. ;)

Bob

Ask a Lt. or Capt. in the Salvation Army if they are in a spiritual war and see what they answer. With Army being in their name, it's easy to understand why they use ranks.

Setting religion aside, TOS clearly portrayed Starfleet as a military arm. In addition to the ranks, they carry weapons, their ships are armed, they patrol sectors and, according to Errand of Mercy, even fight in war. Add to that the fact that, if the Federation were to ever be invaded, who would be called to defend the homeland?

not sure if this is any good it's been sitting on my hard drive for yonks now so i am not sure where i got it from originally

Judge Alba, I can't speak as to where you got the image from originally, but that style of image was a regular feature from the old Star Trek: The Magazine that was out in the 90s. Several of those images are also available on http://ex-astris-scientia.org/
 
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