Kirk's quarters
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GodThingFormerly
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GodThingFormerly
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That ST:TMP set plan was actually rendered by Leon Harris, not Andrew Probert.
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not sure if this is any good it's been sitting on my hard drive for yonks now so i am not sure where i got it from originally
If memory serves, I read somewhere that the ST VI was built within the confines of the "junior officers' quarters" set for TNG, which was in early TNG years a redress of Kirk's quarters from TMP, but which was completely rebuilt by the time STVI was a gleam in Paramount's eye.
yeah the Captain's quarters in VI were a bit ridiculous. The quarters were originally a 2-room set separated by smoked glass doors. The room seen in VI occupies the lower portion of his cabin in the blueprint posted above. The 2nd room seen in the upper part of the blueprint housed the large viewer in TMP. It was the setting of KirK's confrontation with Decker and then McCoy. The set was redressed for TWOK with a smaller viewer and was where Kirk, Spock and McCoy viewed the Genesis presentation. That room was dressed in TUC for the uniform search, and was the location of Crewman Dax's locker, with the ill-fitting boot.
For TNG fans, it was used in several configurations, usually the two-room configuration for Work, Data and LaForge.
For TNG fans, it was used in several configurations, usually the two-room configuration for Work, Data and LaForge.
GodThingFormerly
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We could always claim that the ST6 set was the inner sanctum of a two-part cabin. That would explain why Kirk doesn't worry about jamming his door open with his bag - it's the inner door, not the outer one.
It was sort of weird originally that Kirk's TMP bed was in his antechamber and his apparent office and reception desk in his inner sanctum... Here, the order might be reversed for the better. Although no doubt Kirk would have a proper office somewhere else, it still makes sense to arrange his de facto workspace in a logical manner.
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It was sort of weird originally that Kirk's TMP bed was in his antechamber and his apparent office and reception desk in his inner sanctum... Here, the order might be reversed for the better. Although no doubt Kirk would have a proper office somewhere else, it still makes sense to arrange his de facto workspace in a logical manner.
Timo Saloniemi
GodThingFormerly
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...along with the sonic shower. This raises some interesting questions about 23rd century human social taboos - such as they are - that couldn't be made explicit in a G-rated film, particularly considering that Gene Roddenberry's ST:TMP novelization suggests the crew of the NCC-1701 routinely engage in (presumably public) sex on the reck-deck. BTW, if one may quote the relevant paragraph from Phase II Script Editor/TMP Associate Producer Jon Povill's 1977 memo, 23rd Century Earth: Context for Enterprise Crew:
"They are not ashamed of their bodies or bodily functions. These are people who can share bathroom facilities without regard for gender and without embarrassment. Nor would it cause any awkwardness if someone were to interrupt a couple in the midst of love-making."
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Unless one is forced to redress the same antechamber portion of Kirk's cabin to represent Lieutenant Ilia's entire cabin.
Unfortunately the realities of a G-rated movie caused Kirk to cover the Ilia-probe's body with a "mini-bathrobe."
One possibility is that Kirk's office had now become the Ready Room. We never saw one in TOS or ST I - IV. Perhaps the office portion of his quarters had been moved to a REady Room on the Ent-A.
Also, Uhura mentioned that they were carrying all sorts of special equipment to study gaseous anomalies. This leads to another possibility - that room was scarce as a result of this extra equipment. Hence why crewmen are thrown from bunks in the movie - they were in a modifed quarters situation until they got rid of the extra equipment.
Lastly, it is also a possibility that it was a combination of the 2 (I never understood why the Ent-A had bunks - other than the obvious dramatic reasons - and the Ent did not).
Just my $0.02
I'd rather say social requirements. After all, the arrangement forces people to go through Kirk's love nest whenever they try to address him in an official capacity... It was probably the pinnacle of bad manners that Kirk in TMP invited Decker to his office without giving at least a quick hand job first.
I don't like the idea that the office part of Kirk's cabin was moved elsewhere because it was better positioned elsewhere. That may be so, but it still ain't an excuse for halving his acreage.
As for crew bunks on the E-A, that's probably what Kirk's earlier ship had as well. We only saw officers' quarters aboard the TOS ship, after all. And those of an Ensign, such as Garrovick, were decidedly humbler than those of a Lieutenant or higher. Odds are that the crew would be berthed in some discomfort, not necessarily for any practical reason, but simply for discipline. These aren't futuristically civilized ratings, make no mistake - the early episodes show them neglecting their duty for a piece of tail, making lower-class comments and cat calls, and generally acting like the same sort of folks the cat-o-nine-tails was invented for...
Timo Saloniemi
Refer to "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise" for a look at the ST:TWOK style officer accomodations as well as the smaller junior officers quarters such as Ilia's from ST:TMP, which the ST:VI version was a variation of. Technically Kirk should have had the larger accomodations, but Meyer evidently wanted to portray a more cramped 'battleship' aesthetic?
You could claim that, except for the fact that when Valeris is standing outside the door, a regular ship corridor is seen right outside.
If anyone can post a picture of this, it would be great, as my copy is in serious storage. Thanks.
How big were Decker's or Spock's quarters from TMP or TWOK? The reason I ask is that it's feasible that Kirk had some special reserved quarters for VIP/Admiralty, since he wasn't Capt. Kirk aboard the Refit Enterprise. He was Captain Kirk on the Enterprise-A (whose quarters we don't see until TUC).
What I can't recall off the top of my head was whether Kirk's quarters in TMP were Decker's to begin with, the full interior of Capt. Spock's quarters was revealed.
What I can't recall off the top of my head was whether Kirk's quarters in TMP were Decker's to begin with, the full interior of Capt. Spock's quarters was revealed.
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