Kirk's death
- Thread starter Bones2
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Like Scotty said, "I think ye gave me too much time, Captain..."
The Nexus should never have had time traveling qualities to the past... just a "place of suspension" where one could live in a perpetual fantasy and not age. And when you leave it, you return to the "present," and no possibility of being deposited in another time, even the time you entered. Thus, Kirk fell into the Nexus back on the Enterprise-B, and then later left voluntarily to help Picard. He arrives exactly in the same body he left in.
This would eliminate the horrible time line paradox introduced by the time traveling Nexus... no "indefinite" copy of the individual contained within, to be pulled out at any point in time.
Kirk dying the scuffle with Soran was OK with me, but they could have done it in a more dramatic fashion. I agree that just falling off a cliff was anti-climactic. C'mon... the guy cheated death time after time... if death is going to take him, it should be with a major bang.
This would eliminate the horrible time line paradox introduced by the time traveling Nexus... no "indefinite" copy of the individual contained within, to be pulled out at any point in time.
Kirk dying the scuffle with Soran was OK with me, but they could have done it in a more dramatic fashion. I agree that just falling off a cliff was anti-climactic. C'mon... the guy cheated death time after time... if death is going to take him, it should be with a major bang.
At least the Rickety Bridge o' Doom was better than him getting shot in the back. Of course, that's like saying diarrhea is better than amoebic dysentery.
That is true, Cardinal...
RobertScorpio
Pariah
I think KIRK's death was handled in a great way. In fact, as most of you know, I consider Generations the best of the TNG movies simply because of its trying to say about life. Soren--Kirk--Picard--Data are all on different tracks here, but in each case, they are dealing with a different aspect of life and time...
Kirk's death may have been on some remote world saving people he would never know. Well, having lost a few friends of mine to the past two wars, and knowing of the deaths of many others I don't know, I can tell you this; that is as real as it gets.
First Contact obliterates the Borg all for the effect of creating a horny borg babe for Data and for the 14 year old boys who came to that movie...
Generations also wins because it has far more quotable lines...Sorans words to Picard in Ten Forward, then later on as Picard tries to stop him..both those scenes are, I think, among the best written scenes in all STAR TREK movies in what is trying to be said....
And ultimate Kirk's death is how he should have gone out. Not fighting the Klingons or Borg; he was a fighter-rule breaker all along. Having him die while trying to have fun doing it is exactly how I wanted it..and got it...
So...sorry you Generation nay-sayers. To me Generations gets better each time I see it; where as First Contact gets sillier each time when considering how they ruined the borg and raped the continuity so many of you love (sticking the queen in those flashbacks. A sign of things to come from RDM when taking his less-than-steller nuBSG finale in context).
Kirk died a hero...a quiet hero. A selfless hero. And he died on some planet that hardly anyone will ever remember...that is how most heros die...Quietly.
Rob
Kirk's death may have been on some remote world saving people he would never know. Well, having lost a few friends of mine to the past two wars, and knowing of the deaths of many others I don't know, I can tell you this; that is as real as it gets.
First Contact obliterates the Borg all for the effect of creating a horny borg babe for Data and for the 14 year old boys who came to that movie...
Generations also wins because it has far more quotable lines...Sorans words to Picard in Ten Forward, then later on as Picard tries to stop him..both those scenes are, I think, among the best written scenes in all STAR TREK movies in what is trying to be said....
And ultimate Kirk's death is how he should have gone out. Not fighting the Klingons or Borg; he was a fighter-rule breaker all along. Having him die while trying to have fun doing it is exactly how I wanted it..and got it...
So...sorry you Generation nay-sayers. To me Generations gets better each time I see it; where as First Contact gets sillier each time when considering how they ruined the borg and raped the continuity so many of you love (sticking the queen in those flashbacks. A sign of things to come from RDM when taking his less-than-steller nuBSG finale in context).
Kirk died a hero...a quiet hero. A selfless hero. And he died on some planet that hardly anyone will ever remember...that is how most heros die...Quietly.
Rob
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
Hey, I love that idea...that was a good one.
Generations is easily, the worst Star Trek film of all time.
And thats when not taking Kirk's death into account.
And thats when not taking Kirk's death into account.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Ummmmm...right. Sorry old chap, but that award goes squarily on the shoulders of NEMESIS/INSURRECTION double bill.
Rob
Agreed. How can you possibly see 'Generations' as worse, even for pure entertainment value, than the 'Insurrection/Nemesis' combo? 'Gens' has problems, but I don't find myself distracted by them. The problems with the latter two, however, are distracting and they're not that entertaining to start with.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
You know it. The only time I see my self ever seeing NEMESIS again is when my five year old grows up and is really into STAR TREK, and he will be. So I'm thinking maybe five years from now, when he is 10, I will subject him to this steaming log of a movie; nemesis. Then I will let him take the DVD outside and throw it off the cliff near our house; I almost threw my self off that cliff after seeing the Wrath of Kh...oopp...Shinzon..
as for OP.
Kirk's death wasn't as good as Spocks, but was better than Data's by long shot...
Rob
Scorpio
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Before a movie as bad as NEMESIS comes out, you have to wonder if it gets screened. I can't believe any test audience would really give them an indicator that it was going to be good. Which makes me think they screened it for an audience of their friends and family and mistresses.
But from what I have heard through the years, they did screen it and it did not go well..and yet they STILL released that turkey. Thats when I think the studio decides to release around a LORD OF THE RING movie and just hopes no one sees it. Suicide you might say.
Rob
If it was non-TNG fans, it's entirely possible. My next-door neighbor loved Nemesis and he was more of a TOS fan.
So was I. I told him I'd heard Nemesis sucked, but he loved it. O.O
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Sorry you see it that way...but for me it has everything over First Contact. First Contact took the so called continuity of trek and pissed all over it. And it did so by giving a horny borg girl for the 14 year old boys to drool over.
Generations has great lines by Soran and Picard, and Shatner pretty much steals every scene he is in...
Generations...yeah baby!
Rob
