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Kirk drift—misremembering a character…

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How do you see Ortegas as equivalent? She seems far more snarky and she's a hotshot pilot. She's definitely not as naïve as Pavel sometimes was.
She's more Tom Paris than any other Trek character.

Since Trekkies love small universe syndrome, maybe she's his great-great grandmother.
 
On the series, Chekov wasn't supposed to be a doofus, just a green young kid: a promising young crew member but still a bit immature at times.

This posed a problem for the movies, where Chekov could hardly be portrayed as young and inexperienced after so many years, so bad things kept happening to him just to give him something to do. And where, yes, he may have sometimes been written as bit clueless, just out of habit, even though he no longer had the excuse of being an inexperience young rookie.
 
On the series, Chekov wasn't supposed to be a doofus, just a green young kid: a promising young crew member but still a bit immature at times.

This posed a problem for the movies, where Chekov could hardly be portrayed as young and inexperienced after so many years, so bad things kept happening to him just to give him something to do. And where, yes, he may have sometimes been written as bit clueless, just out of habit, even though he no longer had the excuse of being an inexperience young rookie.
When I met Walter Koenig at the opening of a Blockbuster Video back in the late 80s (I know, I'm REALLY dating myself here), I asked him, "Why do they keep injuring you in the movies?" He said something about his character being the most young and exuberant, IIRC.
 
When I met Walter Koenig at the opening of a Blockbuster Video back in the late 80s (I know, I'm REALLY dating myself here), I asked him, "Why do they keep injuring you in the movies?" He said something about his character being the most young and exuberant, IIRC.
I forget if he said this when I met him or if I read about it later, but he told a crowd at one point that they would all be thrilled to know that in Star Trek IV that Chekov gets HURT again!
 
I see Chekov as someone who's very smart in a narrow, academic way, but doesn't have a ton of common sense. Maybe the result of being a sheltered wiz kid or something. Granted, the more likely explanation is that the writers were just making things up as they went along and used Chekov however it suited the plot, lol.
I think he got Sulu hand me downs when Takei was out on another job.
 
I think he got Sulu hand me downs when Takei was out on another job.
He did. Takei was away shooting "The Green Berets" with John Wayne for a good portion of the second season and his parts were rewritten to feature Chekov. IIRC, Chekov helping Uhura go shopping at Space Station K-7 in "The Trouble with Tribbles" was originally written as Sulu.
 
How much less humorous would Chekov have been if all of Sulu's season 2 parts hadn't gone to him?
I don't know. I can't think of many episodes where the Sulu character is intentionally funny, outside of "The Naked Time." Is there a definitive list somewhere of all the TOS episodes where Sulu's part got rewritten for Chekov?
 
How much less humorous would Chekov have been if all of Sulu's season 2 parts hadn't gone to him?
I don't know, but he could still be plenty funny even with Sulu sitting right next to him.

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The mischaracterization of Kirk drives me nuts. Even in interviews of producers of later shows, when making comparisons to, Archer, writers of Enterprise would say "Kirk nailed every female alien he met" as a way to make their current captain "more enlightened" or otherwise "better." Maybe it they just, I dunno, watch the damned show, they'd get a good idea of how the man was actually written and portrayed.
one reason why I have no use for anything after TOS. Even the TOS movies got the character's wrong. Kirk was maudlin over his "son" (and giving him one was just lazy writing) as well as making Spock a robot rather than a Vulcan. Or maybe that was Nimoy not playing him with the nuance he did in TOS where he didn't reject his humanity, and for heaven's sake spoke with some inflection not in a frigging monotone. Kirk wouldn't have whined about his age in TMP either. As for the series after, again, I don't have much patience with virtue signalling by bashing TOS.
 
one reason why I have no use for anything after TOS. Even the TOS movies got the character's wrong. Kirk was maudlin over his "son" (and giving him one was just lazy writing) as well as making Spock a robot rather than a Vulcan. Or maybe that was Nimoy not playing him with the nuance he did in TOS where he didn't reject his humanity, and for heaven's sake spoke with some inflection not in a frigging monotone. Kirk wouldn't have whined about his age in TMP either. As for the series after, again, I don't have much patience with virtue signalling by bashing TOS.
Wow.

I've never thought giving Kirk a son was "lazy writing". It's part of his journey in TWoK. And I think most of us would be a little put out if we ran into the child we haven't seen in years (my interpretation of the dialogue is that Kirk had definitely seen David sometime during his childhood) as an adult.

It's clearly laid out in TMP that Spock has been trying to get rid of his emotions. His journey throughout the story is to realize and accept the emotional/human half of himself.

As for Kirk "whining" about his age, I found turning 50 to be a bit tough and his journey in TWoK was very realistic and inspirational to me.

Given how they treated McCoy and Scotty, I wouldn't say TNG "bashed" TOS. I don't recall that in DS9 either. Perhaps you're thinking of something in VOY or ENT, which I haven't seen all of.
 
At most, I'd say that Sulu has a dry wit. Chekov is funny.
Back to misremembering... do we ascribe that wit from the movies and "remember" it backwards to the show or did Sulu show a dry wit in TOS? I'm in the midst of re-watching TOS and I'm not sure for myself yet (I'm still in season one).
 
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